Re: Ross

Posted by David Chibo on September 23, 2001 at 04:12:02:

In Reply to: Re: Ross posted by parhad on September 23, 2001 at 01:11:41:

I think those who truly make an effort to understand our ancient people best are the same people who
fall in love with a civilization so unique, and for its time advanced and free that they fall in love with the ancient Assyrians.

I'm not sure if anyone else has read the famous novel, 'The Assyrian'. The novel, written by an Englishman Nicholas Guild tells the story of Tiglath and
Ashurhaddon (British have called Esarhaddon) two sons of the Assyrian king Sennacherib, shortly after the death of Sargon II by Medes, in a camp raid.

Nicholas Guild has based the story on research conducted by several Assyriologists, but primarily on H.W. Sagg's, 'The might that was Assyria'.
The story tells of these two brothers as they grow together through childhood and puberty.
Although Tiglath the hero of the novel is depicted taking part in Sennacherib's famous battle against the invading Elamites at the river Halule, the capture of Babylon,
amongest other battles, the sophistication, high level of education and civilisation of the ancient Assyrians is displayed for all to see.
The foods, customs, temples, rituals, ancient religion etc. are all explained and described painting a picture so clear that it is hard not to fall in love with the people and period.

What's even more suprising is that only a fraction of the ancient Assyrians' history has ever been uncovered. We have a history so rich that the rest of the world would be astonished.
Could you imagine if Terrence Malik were to transform Nicholas Guild's novel into a movie?
It'd make Mel Gibson's Braveheart look timid and shallow in comparison.

Anyway, the novel first published in 1991 ends when Ashurhaddon takes over the kingship and the story ends a little sadly for Tiglath.

Anyone who wants to know what the ancient Assyrians were really like should definately look up this novel at their local library.

Nicholas Guild apparently didn't rest on his laurels he next released another book called 'Bloodstar' in 1994 which is the sequel to 'The Assyrian'.
As good as 'The Assyrian' was apparently the sequel to 'The Assyrian' is even better than the original.

Being a born-again-Assyrian of only the past 4 years, I did not get a chance to buy a copy of 'The Assyrian', though I did read it, nor 'Bloodstar' for that matter, when they were first released.
If anyone has a second-hand copy of any of these books, currently out of print, that they'll consider selling then please let me know I'd love to get myself a copy of both these books.

Anyway my point is that ignorant people, such as Ross, can slander us simply because our own people simply do not know our ancient history and level of civilisation.

The handful of us that have actually delved in this field are too few and far in between.
We need to start by educating our own people first so that they can defend our name against such attacks in the future.

When you face Ross on Monday forget any inspirational words that we modern Assyrians could provide you with, but remember the words of the man, himself, Ashurbanipal.

For the sake of distant days!

: All good points. It's a rare privilege indeed to stand there and have someone quote an Assyrian the bible as any sort of "objective" assessment of our History...and OH! to be able to answer. I have the feeling that Christian Assyrians are dreading what I will say or do...they may stay away just because of that. Not to fear...it will help our position not at all to appear to be a boor...which I aint.

: I agree that too much history will be wasted and that's not the point anyway. I want to inform Ross that for all the good in Christianity...our particular experience of that...or Islam or Judaisim, has not been that wonderful. It is insulting to say the least to have to defend my Heritage against this peculiar slander that we were a savage and violent people when the Christian British, 1000 years later, would unwind the intestines from a traitor through a small hole in his side and roast them slowly over a fire, then hang him, cut him down before he could die, cut his living heart out of him, tie his twitching carcass to four horses and have him ripped into quarters...all the while this greusome spectacle in "crowd control" was blessed by Holy Mother Church. Not to mention the Catholic nazis who skinned people for lampshades and boiled them into soap,when there was any fat left on them, and not enemies who'd rebelled or attacked anyone, but innocent women and children... So lets cut the crap about savage and cruel okay??

: Any nation which admits it plans to starve and suffocate the innocent children of parents saddled by a brutal dictator custom built by the United States, armed by them to fight "communism"...then unleashed against his own people and neighbors...then left standing after a war that could have obliterated him, if his "handlers" had wanted to...left to these poor parents to dispose of...is such a brutal and inhumane act that my ancestors would have been repulsed by it.

: The image of United States troops cowering behind bombers and fire spewing tanks, their parents at home desperate that not one of them scratch a finger, thumping their chests from a safe distance while their planes carpet bomb and drop radioactive shells from 30,000 feet on top of sleeping women and children huddled in their mud and wattle huts...who have no idea what befalls them or why...is an act of cowardice unmatched...certainly never by my ancestors.

: So lets hear no more about that subject. Let's instead focus on all they built and created and refined...and how they influenced the world through them Hebrews, Greeks and Romans. Let's talk about how, if you dig all of Israel up you will find three pots to piss in...whereas if you strike a shovel anywhere in Iraq you will unearth treasures and clay tablet after tablet...and that when those tablets are FINALLY read...you will see a civilization whose love of learning was like no other.

: Remember...300 different kinds of breads alone, appetizers and wine and beer...locusts and honey was Jewish take-out...Assyrians were unparalleled in fields others hadn't even heard of...and it is THIS which so unnerves us today...this fact that we were once so high...and have sunk to this, "pass me another slap while I turn my cheek."

: No sir...slap me if you dare.

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: I think those who truly make an effort to understand our ancient people best are the same people who : fall in love with a civilization so unique, and for its time advanced and free that they fall in love with the ancient Assyrians. : I'm not sure if anyone else has read the famous novel, 'The Assyrian'. The novel, written by an Englishman Nicholas Guild tells the story of Tiglath and : Ashurhaddon (British have called Esarhaddon) two sons of the Assyrian king Sennacherib, shortly after the death of Sargon II by Medes, in a camp raid. : Nicholas Guild has based the story on research conducted by several Assyriologists, but primarily on H.W. Sagg's, 'The might that was Assyria'. : The story tells of these two brothers as they grow together through childhood and puberty. : Although Tiglath the hero of the novel is depicted taking part in Sennacherib's famous battle against the invading Elamites at the river Halule, the capture of Babylon, : amongest other battles, the sophistication, high level of education and civilisation of the ancient Assyrians is displayed for all to see. : The foods, customs, temples, rituals, ancient religion etc. are all explained and described painting a picture so clear that it is hard not to fall in love with the people and period. : What's even more suprising is that only a fraction of the ancient Assyrians' history has ever been uncovered. We have a history so rich that the rest of the world would be astonished. : Could you imagine if Terrence Malik were to transform Nicholas Guild's novel into a movie? : It'd make Mel Gibson's Braveheart look timid and shallow in comparison. : Anyway, the novel first published in 1991 ends when Ashurhaddon takes over the kingship and the story ends a little sadly for Tiglath. : Anyone who wants to know what the ancient Assyrians were really like should definately look up this novel at their local library. : Nicholas Guild apparently didn't rest on his laurels he next released another book called 'Bloodstar' in 1994 which is the sequel to 'The Assyrian'. : As good as 'The Assyrian' was apparently the sequel to 'The Assyrian' is even better than the original. : Being a born-again-Assyrian of only the past 4 years, I did not get a chance to buy a copy of 'The Assyrian', though I did read it, nor 'Bloodstar' for that matter, when they were first released. : If anyone has a second-hand copy of any of these books, currently out of print, that they'll consider selling then please let me know I'd love to get myself a copy of both these books. : Anyway my point is that ignorant people, such as Ross, can slander us simply because our own people simply do not know our ancient history and level of civilisation. : The handful of us that have actually delved in this field are too few and far in between. : We need to start by educating our own people first so that they can defend our name against such attacks in the future. : When you face Ross on Monday forget any inspirational words that we modern Assyrians could provide you with, but remember the words of the man, himself, Ashurbanipal. : For the sake of distant days! : : All good points. It's a rare privilege indeed to stand there and have someone quote an Assyrian the bible as any sort of "objective" assessment of our History...and OH! to be able to answer. I have the feeling that Christian Assyrians are dreading what I will say or do...they may stay away just because of that. Not to fear...it will help our position not at all to appear to be a boor...which I aint. : : I agree that too much history will be wasted and that's not the point anyway. I want to inform Ross that for all the good in Christianity...our particular experience of that...or Islam or Judaisim, has not been that wonderful. It is insulting to say the least to have to defend my Heritage against this peculiar slander that we were a savage and violent people when the Christian British, 1000 years later, would unwind the intestines from a traitor through a small hole in his side and roast them slowly over a fire, then hang him, cut him down before he could die, cut his living heart out of him, tie his twitching carcass to four horses and have him ripped into quarters...all the while this greusome spectacle in "crowd control" was blessed by Holy Mother Church. Not to mention the Catholic nazis who skinned people for lampshades and boiled them into soap,when there was any fat left on them, and not enemies who'd rebelled or attacked anyone, but innocent women and children... So lets cut the crap about savage and cruel okay?? : : Any nation which admits it plans to starve and suffocate the innocent children of parents saddled by a brutal dictator custom built by the United States, armed by them to fight "communism"...then unleashed against his own people and neighbors...then left standing after a war that could have obliterated him, if his "handlers" had wanted to...left to these poor parents to dispose of...is such a brutal and inhumane act that my ancestors would have been repulsed by it. : : The image of United States troops cowering behind bombers and fire spewing tanks, their parents at home desperate that not one of them scratch a finger, thumping their chests from a safe distance while their planes carpet bomb and drop radioactive shells from 30,000 feet on top of sleeping women and children huddled in their mud and wattle huts...who have no idea what befalls them or why...is an act of cowardice unmatched...certainly never by my ancestors. : : So lets hear no more about that subject. Let's instead focus on all they built and created and refined...and how they influenced the world through them Hebrews, Greeks and Romans. Let's talk about how, if you dig all of Israel up you will find three pots to piss in...whereas if you strike a shovel anywhere in Iraq you will unearth treasures and clay tablet after tablet...and that when those tablets are FINALLY read...you will see a civilization whose love of learning was like no other. : : Remember...300 different kinds of breads alone, appetizers and wine and beer...locusts and honey was Jewish take-out...Assyrians were unparalleled in fields others hadn't even heard of...and it is THIS which so unnerves us today...this fact that we were once so high...and have sunk to this, "pass me another slap while I turn my cheek." : : No sir...slap me if you dare.

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