Slavery was used

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Posted by Lilly from ? (160.129.27.22) on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 10:32AM :

In Reply to: Re: taken from the web posted by panch from ? (207.224.120.246) on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 7:01PM :

: The two camps, Federalist and republican were really arguing the Slavery issue with the North realizing that Slavery was incompatible with the grand design outlines in the Constitution and the South or repubs just wanting "State's Rights" because they wanted to keep Slavery...something they knew the North Feds would abolish if they had half the chance...so they fought a war instead and now we get Bush.

xxx Actually, if the Civil War had *anything* to do with civil rights for non-whites, the Civil Rights movements would not have been necessary, just the Emancipation Proclamation. All the Emancipation Proclamation did was allow slaves in ONLY the Confederate states (there were still slave holders in the North who went untouched) to go free. This was essentially a political tactic, under the guise of human rights, to strip the wealthy & influential persons in rebellious states of yet another thing they supposedly owned (not that slavery was right in any way, shape, or form). The Constitution of the US was written ONLY for rich, white men (most of whom were riding on family fortunes from England). The Civil War & its aftermath was a power play. It had NOTHING to do with civil rights. Slaves were freed from their shitty lives on Southern plantations & given shitty jobs elsewhere, with no rights to vote, much less share the same physical space as "whites."

xxx Taken from the US government archives webpage:
The Emancipation Proclamation
President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, as the nation approached its third year of bloody civil war. The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" WITHIN the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."

Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied ONLY to states that had seceded from the Union, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union military victory.

Although the Emancipation Proclamation did not immediately free a single slave, it fundamentally transformed the character of the war. After January 1, 1863, every advance of federal troops expanded the domain of freedom. Moreover, the Proclamation announced the acceptance of black men into the Union Army and Navy, enabling the liberated to become liberators. By the end of the war, almost 200,000 black soldiers and sailors had fought for the Union and freedom.

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one concession - Lilly 2:51PM 06/19/2002 () (0)

of course - Lilly 1:02PM 06/19/2002 () (3)

We the people - Lilly 2:10PM 06/22/2002 () (0)
Re: of course - panch 9:02AM 06/20/2002 () (1)
- pancho, again, you are wrong - Lilly 12:17PM 06/20/2002 () (0)

Re: Slavery was used - panch 12:13PM 06/19/2002 () (6)

You read me completely wrong - Lilly 1:09PM 06/19/2002 () (5)
- Re: You read me completely wrong - panch 9:06AM 06/20/2002 () (2)
  - wrong again, pancho. - Lilly 11:20AM 06/20/2002 () (1)
    - those were Lincoln's quotes. - Lilly 11:26AM 06/20/2002 () (0)
- basically - Lilly 1:23PM 06/19/2002 () (1)
  - Re: basically - panch 9:09AM 06/20/2002 () (0)

Re: Slavery was used - panch 12:13PM 06/19/2002 () (0)

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Message:	: : The two camps, Federalist and republican were really arguing the Slavery issue with the North realizing that Slavery was incompatible with the grand design outlines in the Constitution and the South or repubs just wanting "State's Rights" because they wanted to keep Slavery...something they knew the North Feds would abolish if they had half the chance...so they fought a war instead and now we get Bush. : xxx Actually, if the Civil War had anything to do with civil rights for non-whites, the Civil Rights movements would not have been necessary, just the Emancipation Proclamation. All the Emancipation Proclamation did was allow slaves in ONLY the Confederate states (there were still slave holders in the North who went untouched) to go free. This was essentially a political tactic, under the guise of human rights, to strip the wealthy & influential persons in rebellious states of yet another thing they supposedly owned (not that slavery was right in any way, shape, or form). The Constitution of the US was written ONLY for rich, white men (most of whom were riding on family fortunes from England). The Civil War & its aftermath was a power play. It had NOTHING to do with civil rights. Slaves were freed from their shitty lives on Southern plantations & given shitty jobs elsewhere, with no rights to vote, much less share the same physical space as "whites." : xxx Taken from the US government archives webpage: : The Emancipation Proclamation : President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, as the nation approached its third year of bloody civil war. The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" WITHIN the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free." : Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied ONLY to states that had seceded from the Union, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union military victory. : Although the Emancipation Proclamation did not immediately free a single slave, it fundamentally transformed the character of the war. After January 1, 1863, every advance of federal troops expanded the domain of freedom. Moreover, the Proclamation announced the acceptance of black men into the Union Army and Navy, enabling the liberated to become liberators. By the end of the war, almost 200,000 black soldiers and sailors had fought for the Union and freedom. :

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