Tony, please, what's your answer ?

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Posted by andreas from p3EE3C6EA.dip.t-dialin.net (62.227.198.234) on Monday, September 16, 2002 at 4:10PM :

In Reply to: Re: Would will YOU contribute, TONY ? posted by Tony zango from ? (167.88.192.30) on Monday, September 16, 2002 at 2:23PM :

Tony, please, what's your exact and concrete answer ?

You're supposed to remember:

"The basic question:
Would will YOU contribute, TONY ?"

:
: I'm inclined to agree with. Yesterday, more than 2000 people swarmed the Westwood Area near UCLA in demonstration Against IRAQ war. I would say 96% of the marchers were White Americans.

:
: _____________________________________________

: : The basic question:

: : Would will YOU contribute, TONY ?

:
: : “History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.”

: : — Martin Luther King, Jr.

:
: :
: : :
: : : WORLD WILL BE IN A BETTER PLACE WITH PEOPLE LIKE Rep.Rahall VISION. IS IT POSSIBLE? NOT IN A MILLION YEARS

: :
: : :
: : :
: : : : Institute for Public Accuracy
: : : : 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045
: : : : (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * ipa@accuracy.org
: : : : ___________________________________________________

: : : : PM Sunday, September 15, 2002

: : : : A MESSAGE TO THE IRAQI NATIONAL ASSEMBLY FROM THE
: : : : HON. NICK RAHALL, MEMBER OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
: : : : SEPTEMBER 15, 2002

: : : : I want to thank you for the traditional Iraqi hospitality that
: : : : our
: : : : delegation has received since coming to Baghdad.

: : : : We are all aware of the grave crisis presently facing our two
: : : : countries, the United States and Iraq. I am concerned about the effects
: : : : that a new war would have on both our countries. For that reason I come
: : : : as
: : : : an advocate of peace through dialogue.

: : : : Ours is a humanitarian mission. I come, not as the Secretary of

: : : : State, and not as a weapons inspector, but as a member of Congress
: : : : concerned with peace. Basically, I want America and Iraq to give peace a

: : : : chance.

: : : : A few days ago, the former head of the United Nations
: : : : oil-for-food
: : : : program, Denis Halliday, commented on the independent American
: : : : delegation
: : : : of which I am a part. Mr. Halliday is a former UN Assistant Secretary
: : : : General. On September 12, he said: "Any dialogue between the U.S. and
: : : : Iraq
: : : : is good and, with current and former lawmakers, it is even better." Mr.
: : : : Halliday added: "Open-minded dialogue would prove war to be
: : : : unnecessary."

: : : : Instead of assuming that war must come, let us find ways to
: : : : discover how to prove that war is unnecessary.

: : : : A key to this terrible box that we're now locked in -- is
: : : : dialogue.

: : : : I would also like to quote Edward Peck, an American diplomat
: : : : who
: : : : is a former chief of mission to Iraq. Mr. Peck pointed out: "You lose
: : : : nothing when you talk, but the failure to do so in this case may cost us

: : : : dear(ly)."

: : : : Mr. Peck encouraged this delegation from the United States,
: : : : which
: : : : includes: former United States Senator James Abourezk; James Jennings,
: : : : president of Conscience International; and Norman Solomon, executive
: : : : director of the Institute for Public Accuracy.

: : : : We are here to try and help open doors. Doors to genuine
: : : : dialogue.

: : : : It is time and, in my opinion, far past time that American and
: : : : Iraqi officials talk to each other without threats.

: : : : We want to open doors to possibilities that will protect life
: : : : instead of maiming and killing.

: : : : Doors that will give peace a chance.

: : : : We've had far too much heated rhetoric between our two
: : : : countries.
: : : : Another war in this region would be greatly damaging. Any new war would
: : : : be
: : : : a war against public health, and also against the environment.

: : : : Iraq is the cradle of civilization. We do not wish to see
: : : : civilization strangled in its cradle.

: : : : Iraq was once the Garden of Eden. Humanity must not turn the
: : : : Garden of Eden into Hell.

: : : : The evidence from the last war is quite compelling:
: : : : -- degradation of the infrastructure;
: : : : -- a wrecked economy;
: : : : -- shocking escalation of infant mortality and
: : : : communicable disease, and many other negative health
: : : : indicators
: : : : for the entire population.

: : : : We do not wish to see this devastation repeated.

: : : : In this context, I am reminded of what Dwight Eisenhower, the
: : : : great U.S. general and president, once said: "Every gun and rocket that
: : : : is
: : : : fired, every warship launched, signifies, in a final sense, a theft from

: : : : those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not
: : : : clothed.
: : : : The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat
: : : : of
: : : : its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

: : : : Our delegation does not want to see a new war in Iraq. We do
: : : : not
: : : : subscribe to the "Clash of Civilizations" thesis which foresees nothing
: : : : but
: : : : war between the predominantly Islamic countries and the West.

: : : : I hope that my colleagues in the United States Congress will
: : : : perceive that peaceful dialogue is a more fruitful avenue than the awful

: : : : road of perpetual warfare.

: : : : I must say, however, that I believe the first step to restoring
: : : : a
: : : : relationship of mutual friendship and respect must be for Iraq to fully
: : : : comply with United Nations mandates by allowing the return of weapons
: : : : inspectors. That step would at least give pause to the crisis that
: : : : threatens to engulf us.

: : : : Then, over the next weeks and months, the participation of the
: : : : international community may have an opportunity to succeed in defusing
: : : : the
: : : : crisis altogether. Perhaps this could be done by finding a combination
: : : : of
: : : : specific nations not directly involved in the dispute to serve as
: : : : "honest
: : : : brokers." Perhaps, for instance, Canada and South Africa.

: : : : But time is now terribly short to reverse the momentum toward
: : : : war.
: : : : To make that reversal possible, Iraq must cooperate by giving UN weapons

: : : : inspectors unfettered access. And in that process, "honest brokers" and
: : : : the
: : : : UN as an institution must proceed differently than UNSCOM did, so that
: : : : next
: : : : time there will be no abuses, and there will be no misuse of UN
: : : : inspectors
: : : : for espionage (as belatedly admitted by U.S. officials themselves and
: : : : authoritatively reported by The New York Times and other media outlets
: : : : in
: : : : early January of 1999). If this work proceeds properly, Iraq will be
: : : : able
: : : : to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

: : : : Then the sanctions, which have done so much damage to your
: : : : economy, infrastructure, and health can once and for all be lifted.

: : : : The Middle East, and Iraq in particular, is a place of enduring

: : : : cultural richness. It is the home of the world's oldest civilizations.
: : : : Iraq
: : : : has bequeathed to the world three great religious traditions Judaism,
: : : : Christianity, and Islam. This is our heritage, and the world's heritage.

: : : : The Christian scriptures say "Blessed are the peacemakers."
: : : : They
: : : : do not say "Blessed are the warmongers." I happen to believe that the
: : : : vast
: : : : majority of the American people do not want to wage war, but would
: : : : rather
: : : : wage peace.

: : : : Our delegation is here on behalf of peace. We believe that a
: : : : new
: : : : war is not only unnecessary, but wrong.

: : : : I must again emphasize, however, that in my view and in the
: : : : view
: : : : of many of my colleagues, the way to avoid war and to secure peace is to

: : : : allow UN inspectors into Iraq. The matter is urgent, and I therefore
: : : : urge
: : : : your government to implement all relevant Security Council resolutions
: : : : without delay.

: : : : Speaking personally, I will encourage my colleagues in the
: : : : Congress to enter into dialogue with the Iraq National Assembly for the
: : : : future benefit of both our nations.

-- andreas
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"WHAT will you contribute" of course - - andreas 4:17PM 09/16/2002 () (2)

Re: "WHAT will you contribute" of cours - Tony zango 4:54PM 09/16/2002 () (1)
- Tony, please, and precisely ? - andreas 4:03PM 09/17/2002 () (0)

let me vouch for Tony - Lilly 4:16PM 09/16/2002 () (0)

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Message:	: Tony, please, what's your exact and concrete answer ? : You're supposed to remember: : "The basic question: : Would will YOU contribute, TONY ?" : : : : I'm inclined to agree with. Yesterday, more than 2000 people swarmed the Westwood Area near UCLA in demonstration Against IRAQ war. I would say 96% of the marchers were White Americans. : : : : _____________________________________________ : : : The basic question: : : : Would will YOU contribute, TONY ? : : : : : “History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.” : : : — Martin Luther King, Jr. : : : : : : : : : : : : : WORLD WILL BE IN A BETTER PLACE WITH PEOPLE LIKE Rep.Rahall VISION. IS IT POSSIBLE? NOT IN A MILLION YEARS : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Institute for Public Accuracy : : : : : 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 : : : : : (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * ipa@accuracy.org : : : : : ___________________________________________________ : : : : : PM Sunday, September 15, 2002 : : : : : A MESSAGE TO THE IRAQI NATIONAL ASSEMBLY FROM THE : : : : : HON. NICK RAHALL, MEMBER OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES : : : : : SEPTEMBER 15, 2002 : : : : : I want to thank you for the traditional Iraqi hospitality that : : : : : our : : : : : delegation has received since coming to Baghdad. : : : : : We are all aware of the grave crisis presently facing our two : : : : : countries, the United States and Iraq. I am concerned about the effects : : : : : that a new war would have on both our countries. For that reason I come : : : : : as : : : : : an advocate of peace through dialogue. : : : : : Ours is a humanitarian mission. I come, not as the Secretary of : : : : : State, and not as a weapons inspector, but as a member of Congress : : : : : concerned with peace. Basically, I want America and Iraq to give peace a : : : : : chance. : : : : : A few days ago, the former head of the United Nations : : : : : oil-for-food : : : : : program, Denis Halliday, commented on the independent American : : : : : delegation : : : : : of which I am a part. Mr. Halliday is a former UN Assistant Secretary : : : : : General. On September 12, he said: "Any dialogue between the U.S. and : : : : : Iraq : : : : : is good and, with current and former lawmakers, it is even better." Mr. : : : : : Halliday added: "Open-minded dialogue would prove war to be : : : : : unnecessary." : : : : : Instead of assuming that war must come, let us find ways to : : : : : discover how to prove that war is unnecessary. : : : : : A key to this terrible box that we're now locked in -- is : : : : : dialogue. : : : : : I would also like to quote Edward Peck, an American diplomat : : : : : who : : : : : is a former chief of mission to Iraq. Mr. Peck pointed out: "You lose : : : : : nothing when you talk, but the failure to do so in this case may cost us : : : : : dear(ly)." : : : : : Mr. Peck encouraged this delegation from the United States, : : : : : which : : : : : includes: former United States Senator James Abourezk; James Jennings, : : : : : president of Conscience International; and Norman Solomon, executive : : : : : director of the Institute for Public Accuracy. : : : : : We are here to try and help open doors. Doors to genuine : : : : : dialogue. : : : : : It is time and, in my opinion, far past time that American and : : : : : Iraqi officials talk to each other without threats. : : : : : We want to open doors to possibilities that will protect life : : : : : instead of maiming and killing. : : : : : Doors that will give peace a chance. : : : : : We've had far too much heated rhetoric between our two : : : : : countries. : : : : : Another war in this region would be greatly damaging. Any new war would : : : : : be : : : : : a war against public health, and also against the environment. : : : : : Iraq is the cradle of civilization. We do not wish to see : : : : : civilization strangled in its cradle. : : : : : Iraq was once the Garden of Eden. Humanity must not turn the : : : : : Garden of Eden into Hell. : : : : : The evidence from the last war is quite compelling: : : : : : -- degradation of the infrastructure; : : : : : -- a wrecked economy; : : : : : -- shocking escalation of infant mortality and : : : : : communicable disease, and many other negative health : : : : : indicators : : : : : for the entire population. : : : : : We do not wish to see this devastation repeated. : : : : : In this context, I am reminded of what Dwight Eisenhower, the : : : : : great U.S. general and president, once said: "Every gun and rocket that : : : : : is : : : : : fired, every warship launched, signifies, in a final sense, a theft from : : : : : those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not : : : : : clothed. : : : : : The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat : : : : : of : : : : : its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children." : : : : : Our delegation does not want to see a new war in Iraq. We do : : : : : not : : : : : subscribe to the "Clash of Civilizations" thesis which foresees nothing : : : : : but : : : : : war between the predominantly Islamic countries and the West. : : : : : I hope that my colleagues in the United States Congress will : : : : : perceive that peaceful dialogue is a more fruitful avenue than the awful : : : : : road of perpetual warfare. : : : : : I must say, however, that I believe the first step to restoring : : : : : a : : : : : relationship of mutual friendship and respect must be for Iraq to fully : : : : : comply with United Nations mandates by allowing the return of weapons : : : : : inspectors. That step would at least give pause to the crisis that : : : : : threatens to engulf us. : : : : : Then, over the next weeks and months, the participation of the : : : : : international community may have an opportunity to succeed in defusing : : : : : the : : : : : crisis altogether. Perhaps this could be done by finding a combination : : : : : of : : : : : specific nations not directly involved in the dispute to serve as : : : : : "honest : : : : : brokers." Perhaps, for instance, Canada and South Africa. : : : : : But time is now terribly short to reverse the momentum toward : : : : : war. : : : : : To make that reversal possible, Iraq must cooperate by giving UN weapons : : : : : inspectors unfettered access. And in that process, "honest brokers" and : : : : : the : : : : : UN as an institution must proceed differently than UNSCOM did, so that : : : : : next : : : : : time there will be no abuses, and there will be no misuse of UN : : : : : inspectors : : : : : for espionage (as belatedly admitted by U.S. officials themselves and : : : : : authoritatively reported by The New York Times and other media outlets : : : : : in : : : : : early January of 1999). If this work proceeds properly, Iraq will be : : : : : able : : : : : to see a light at the end of the tunnel. : : : : : Then the sanctions, which have done so much damage to your : : : : : economy, infrastructure, and health can once and for all be lifted. : : : : : The Middle East, and Iraq in particular, is a place of enduring : : : : : cultural richness. It is the home of the world's oldest civilizations. : : : : : Iraq : : : : : has bequeathed to the world three great religious traditions Judaism, : : : : : Christianity, and Islam. This is our heritage, and the world's heritage. : : : : : The Christian scriptures say "Blessed are the peacemakers." : : : : : They : : : : : do not say "Blessed are the warmongers." I happen to believe that the : : : : : vast : : : : : majority of the American people do not want to wage war, but would : : : : : rather : : : : : wage peace. : : : : : Our delegation is here on behalf of peace. We believe that a : : : : : new : : : : : war is not only unnecessary, but wrong. : : : : : I must again emphasize, however, that in my view and in the : : : : : view : : : : : of many of my colleagues, the way to avoid war and to secure peace is to : : : : : allow UN inspectors into Iraq. The matter is urgent, and I therefore : : : : : urge : : : : : your government to implement all relevant Security Council resolutions : : : : : without delay. : : : : : Speaking personally, I will encourage my colleagues in the : : : : : Congress to enter into dialogue with the Iraq National Assembly for the : : : : : future benefit of both our nations.

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