Posted by pancho from pool0033.cvx24-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (209.179.210.33) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 6:04AM :
In Reply to: Hauled from downstairs posted by sankho from ? (139.134.58.153) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 1:29AM :
: : although having said that, most of our ancestors WERE Christian for the last couple of millenia...
: ++++No they weren't...the majority of them were Muslims...you just can't sustain the argument that all the Muslims of Iraq are Arabs from Arabia. And it doesn't change your ethnicity if you change religions, neither to Christianity nor to Islam. And what you call yourself and what you talk about and what you cry over is nowhere near as important as what you do.
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: >>> Sure, sure, YOU can tell the A-rabs of Iraq that they are Assyrians
+++I would never do that. I can fully understand why they would NOT admit to being descendants of the Assyrians...I said "claim"...there is no way you or I can procve we are...all we have for proof are our feelings or some "Christian" evidence, none of it credible.
+++The way you boys set the argument up a Muslim would have to convert to Christianity before you would admit the possibility he is desecended from the ancient Assyrians...who were NOT Christian. As you have made of it a religious ethnicity, a Muslim would disdain to say he was Assyrian...and why should a Muslim stop at being Assyrian? They have the entire glorious history of Iraq to identify with.
+++There are thousands of Christian Assyrians who could care less that they are Assyrian.
in an A-rab's dish-dasha, but millions of them will just shrug their shoulders and say they're A-rabs. Like this cute old man I ran into in Sogmatar in Turkey, the bit where many people speak Arabic and consider themselves A-rab remnants of the A-rab civilsation.
: Sogmatar is a village which still has a large number of non-Christian Assyrian sun and moon worshipping temples, all covered in Estrangelo.... they were crafted A.D. not B.C. This old Arab in a crisp white dish-dasha scurried over to me as I was drooling over the Estrangelo and taking pictures of moon-worshipping pagan priests. He proudly pointed to the writing and said 'Arabi! Arabi!' My translator came to the rescue and said he is telling us this is A-rab writing...
: Huh? I said
: Yes yes Arabi he said.
: But I can read this, this is Estrangelo, Assyrian writing! Can you read it?
: No of course not, but this is Arabi... erm, just funny ...looking ... Arabi ... he said twisting his head from side to side and squinting at the beautiful Estrangelo.
+++There you go again...an Australian doctor meets a dirt poor man who was also trained by idiotic priests and mullahs and you want to discuss things with HIM!
+++It is just as absurd for you to claim that turning Christian kept us Assyrian...just as silly to point to famous assholes and say "Assyrians"...just as silly to claim that Christians are really and truly Assyrian...just as silly as to look at a Church and read on the door, "Assyrian"...when the Assyrians were never Christians.
: I never did see any of Saddam's Bathys in Turkey, Tiglath, trying to Arabise the Turkish Arabs... they just ARE Arabs in an Arab's dish-dasha.... just like most of the ones in Iraq will squint at the Estrangelo and tell you 'it's Arabi!'...
+++Now you use a dish dahsa to prove people are Arabs, when that clothing is worn by all sorts of people and was way back when.
+++You are being foolish. Christians say they are Assyrians...that they were "saved" by Christianity when they haven't a pot to piss in, and you agree...you see Assyrians where anyone else would see Christians only.
+++There are far more educated people than the ones you laugh at who would give you a good argument and a drubbing...but we are famous for staying in our nuthouse...reading the church fathers, making certain we allow no dissent or allow anyone of any real weight in to see us. Pick on someone your own size.
: .... you are what you believe you are, not what YOU think people think they are.
++++Exactly...Christians in A-rab countries are Christian A-rabs...nothing more. Let them point to estrangelo all the want to...anyone can learn a language.
+++You are claiming estrangelo is a descendant of ancient cuneiform??? Why can't the Muslim in Iraq claim that it gave birth to Arabic also? You show me the connection between cuneiform and estrangelo and I'll show you its connection to Arabic.
-- pancho
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