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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Sunday, February 15 2004, 13:17:00 (EST)
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I don't understand why we're dancing around like this. I point out that there's something inherently wrong and immoral, even, in making what are otherwise disgusting crimes into sacraments, that this is no way to start children out on a moral life dedicated to peace and tranquility and good works...namely by eating and drinking human offal...and you come back at me with what a wonderful and special guy the person you're eating was. We're talking about two different things.

If I grant you everything you say about Jesus...that he was the first person ever to work hard and have patience and then sacrifice his life...I don't see how that makes killing him and eating him any less of a disgusting thing. I've said any number of times that I like Jesus...that he was a good, a kind and a decent person with nothing original to say but than who does...but if that sort of a fellow came up to me and said, "I want to be killed and eaten for your sake...here, take a bite out of me"...I STILL would say, "No, thank you very much...I think you need to talk to someone". I understand that it's embarrassing to have to admit this...that it shows just how clever those Romans were...to turn around and say their victims WANTED to be victimized and the best way to make that notion palatable to hordes of people they STILL wanted to rob and enslave and abuse was to get them started as children participating symbollically in the crime..and even making a "celebration" out of it and eating the poor bastard. That you think this is a marvellous improvement over any kind of morality practised by those "bloody" and "savage" and yet NOT cannibalistic people of BetNahrain who had no tradition of killing their own first-born sons in order to get rain from the god they hoped to get pity from first, shows me you don't understand the first thing about what an Assyrian is or was. Do you see why I say that Christianity is not "just" a religion, it is not "just" a guide to morals and manners and an exhortation to us to be decent and gentle and kind...it is a system for degrading Assyrians, if no one else...for its very basic tenets...the things that are it's most holy sacraments are things completely foreign to what we know of Assyrians and what I FEEL as an Assyrian.

You keep implying that if I am against cannibalism and the benefits that can come only from murder, I am therefore attacking the very roots of Western Civilization, which is sort of interesting if you stop to think about it, but never mind. I say the ancient Assyrians and our fellows over there in BetNahrain ARE the roots of civilization and NOT the Hebrews and this bloody stuff. You imply that abandoning cannibalism and vampirism also means letting go of every decent impulse we've developed and expanded upon...as if NO other people have been decent and kind and none can be until they pull up a chair to the feast of love, the Agape, and eat Jesus. Do you NOT see a contradiction there or the roots of the self-loathing screaming out the pores of those who call themselves Assyrians today but act as if they were anything BUT!?

We know Christians fail by the millions...but instead of indicting Christianity you scold the people...well let every child out of Sunday school and church if he or she wants out...don't force-feed them this garbage and see if they turn out the same. Give people some choice. What's the difference between charging taxes to non-Christians as an inducement to become Muslim and not giving an allowance to a kid who refuses to go to church and become Christian? Forced conversion is forced conversion. Of their own free will hardly ANY kid would CHOOSE to go to church...and for good reason. You aren't teaching morals in church you are teaching immorality, obscurantism, you are muddling up minds and muddying intellects, thwarting healthy emotions in favor of a feeding frenzy and a "passion" for death and torture and self-abuse...stifling curiosity and substitutiong cant for the beginnings of Wisdom and Reason and true Charity in young minds, plus teaching the crimes of cannibalism and vampirism and accepting stolen aned bloody Goods because, "the crime has been committed already..go ahead take eternal life"... then making it a sacrament when GOD TELLS YOU IT'S OKAY...okay to do what is otherwise illegal and immoral and just plain disgusting...and the very practical, sectarian and utilitarian function of this most UN-spiritual "sacrament", is to prepare you to do aything ELSE that is considered by civil society and the Law to be illegal and immoral and also revolting...like starve to death 500,000 innocent Assyrian children, 72,000 of whom were Christian and probably have a cross, ALSO an instrument of murder and torture, emblazoned on their poor tombstones...religion is for making people savage and bloody when God calls...and he calls every time a king or president needs him to...or an emperor needed him to.

What the hell does any of this have to do with kindness and decency and humility...why does rejecting the church and what it does with the body of this most innocent young man automatially lead to bedlam and chaos? How much WORSE can things be? How many MORE children would have been killed without the church or Jesus? Sixty years ago six million completely innocent people, Jews like Jesus, were also rounded up by soldiers and whipped and scourged and robbed of their robes and gold teeth and worked to death and cooked and probably eaten as well, by the followers of this same "Church of Love", not to mention the millions of fellow-Christians they also killed. Who STOPS himself because of Jesus?

Do you, personally, really want to kill innocent children but restrain yourself because Jesus once lived? Is that the way you're put together and do you believe I'm the same way and so are all the people on your block and that the only thing that stands between those poor children and the grave you or I or the people down the street secretly want to send them to is Jesus, when the reality is that for years those who love Jesus and would be "just like him", and their children too, have been eating human meat and drinking human blood and getting the Goods from murder and execution of the Innocents and that MAYBE this has more to do with it than not?

Who just got through killing a half-million children IF NOT the people who follow Jesus and his church? And DON'T come at me with, "they are not real Christians". Whether they are fake or real..they went to the same Sunday School...were told all the same shit you're telling me...but before and after each gentle sermon they were fed human meat and drank human blood, like they tried to get me to do...from a golden chalice no less...and all I'm saying is that no matter what the moral teaching...to wash it down with human blood unsettles the frail minds of children and after years of this sort of conflicted, disgusting diet...great harm is done...but you and your church wash your hands of these people and tell them they got it "wrong" when you did more than anyone to MAKE SURE they came out wrong...and they keep coming out wrong and are coming out wrong in increasing numbers and now get our tax money to set up schools in their garages where they will turn out even more wrong ones and every time I want to point this out you come back at me with what a great guy Jesus was. When did I EVER say he wasn't a great guy? I just don't think that makes it okay to eat him and call that perfectlove and NOT expect some bumpy times ahead...that's all.

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