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Re: Answer Number One
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Monday, March 1 2004, 11:28:59 (EST)
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The Nineveh Kid wrote:
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>does the meat of Jesus start out as meat...and his blood as blood...and then turn into wafers and wine in a Christian`s stomach...or...is it a wafer and wine and then turns into human meat and blood in the stomach...and how does either version NOT still smack of Cannibalism.
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>take your time. I trust there is no hatred in this question.
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>There may be no hatred, but the question is not posed in a serious way, so how can you fairly expect me to reply in a serious way? I think you know that it doesn't start that way. So, why ask it like that? The bread starts out as bread and the wine as wine. It is the bread and wine, that is transformed into the body, blood, soul, and Divinity of Jesus christ at the Consecration, upon the Altar. That is the teaching. What happens after the bread and wine (it can be taken under either or both forms) when it is consumed, I believe the material portion is probably processed by the body like any other food, but that is not the important part anyway.


...wait a minute. We wanted to keep it simple right? Is it meat and blood at some point or isnīt it? What is processed...meat and blood or the symbold attachjed to bread and wine? And if they are only symbols...why cannibalism as a symbol? If I loaded lots of meaning onto a dead human finger and told you youīd be consuming the meaning attached to the finger, but your body would just process the material finger...where has anything changed? Human offal still has to ne ingested in one form or another...why?


The benefits of taking Communion in a worthy manner are first: Union with Jesus Christ, Whom I really and truly receive; secondly: I then receive many supernatural graces and blessings, for example, the forgiveness of my venial sins and the strength to resist future temptations; thirdly: to quote Christ's own words, "He that eateth My Flesh and drinketh My Blood hath everlasting life, and I will raise him up in the last day."

...well there you have it...from the mouth of Babes...he didnīt say he who eats my meaning..he said easts my flesh and blood and THEN gets my meaning too. I donīt want to be raised up on the last day...Vampires too "never" die...so long as they too remian in the dark. See...what I think you want is you want the right, the privilege to say anything you beleive Christ told you...not matter how awful and silly it may seem to othgers...no matter how much of an insult it is and degrading to human intelligence...which according to your version of it is an unworthy thing and I would agree to that...where your intelligence is concerned...but if anyone dares say, what THEYT believe...whichj is that your beliefsd are a crock of nonsense and worse, then THAT person is being rude and disrespectful..when youīre the one gragging corpses in and eating them....and telling us that makes you specially holy and what not.

...I didnīt ask for a Christian lecture...I know the fine points, the apologies and explanations well enough...we are going a step beyond...at least I am...I want to understand why Christians are so damn bloody...I don{t care what it says on their brochure...as I donīt much care whatīs written on any of their literature or the Nazi Partyīs either...I want to understand what these policies and fairy tales and self-serving myths have actually come to mean in practise and in this world...where children can be starved to death by those professing your faith the loudest...and I donīt care how wrong they got it...they got it from Christian schools and teachings...and if the school fails that badly, I say shut it down but whatever you do DONīT give it our tax money to open more of these wrong schools.

...you are welcome to spout Christian dogma and your own personal beliefs all you want...but donīt expect not to get howled at...I get laughed at all the time for my views on being Assyrian...okay by me. But...where you say you want to discuss issues and not just repeat propaganda or beliefs..then stick to the point...I didnīt need to hear Christīs teachings all over again..if you feel you want to introduce Christian faith nonsense..by all means, you are welcome...but you get no special privileges for that...take your chances and take the hard knocxks and uprorious laughter AS IF you had remained Assyrian.


I concede to you that that may sound like cannibalism and vampirism (it is a hard saying), but it is not cannabalism and vampirism in the popular sense of those terms. Nevertheless, if that is the price of eternal life, I will not argue with my Creator.

..as you wouldnīt argue with Christīs executioner..or was it the same father?

But it signifies a whole lot more to me because there is in my mind at least, a supernatural significance to this eating of flesh and drinking of blood and yes, it certainly would be a horrific, if it were not hidden under the form of bread and wine. To this, I would also add that I subtract from all of this the greater part which is unknown, "mystery," just as there is a mysterious part to those things in the natural world that we take for granted. It may sound stupid to ask such a question, but if I asked what makes dirt, dirty, most people would laugh at such a question. But you can pick apart the simplest things in the natural world and never get a satisfactory answer. We accept that part of it that is useful to us and the underlying part we mostly ignore. I accept that mystery permeates everything I experience in this life. I don't know if I will ever receive a satisfactory answer to explain the phenomena of existence and frankly, it's not that important to me.


...yoiu do NOT accept the mystery...you accept the explanations given to you by Jew fishermen and a whole pack of people you never knew...that isnīt accepting a mystery...thatīs ruining it and substituting in its place something concocted by by pig-ignorant people...and it shows. A mystery only remains a mystyery so long as it is one..what youīve done is accept a tacked on explanation of a cheap carnival trick, or thatīs what youīve reduced the mystery to...I leave it as a mystery and go on...

I just love life and I want to go on experiencing it and learning from it. I don't know what else I can say to answer your question, unless you can think of another aspect of it that I haven't answered to your satisfaction.

...no you cleared it up perfectly...cannibalism my be cannibalism...but that is the price your creator says you have to pay for eternal life...youīre willing to hold your nose and do it...maybe not even hold your nose but LOVE the feast cause the Big One told you it was okay and letīs not forget ther goodies...which is EXACTLY the kind of murderous and bloody religion I was indicting...because if god can tell you to do it...then the pope can tell you to do it...and since the pope is no pope without the king..then the king can get you to do it and then a president can get you to do it too...and there you have the neat explanation of why those children were starved to death...because if Christians can be gotten to eat meat and drink blood becaue God-Pope-King-Bush tells them to...then they will starve babies when Bush-King-Pope-God tells them to...or rather they will do what Bush says, knowing he and the pope and god are one. They may argue for our benefit...but it got done and nothing is being said about it...as the Popes never said anything about the Holocaust till they were forced.

Thank you for clearing it up finally...you will do whatever your god tells you to...especially if there is an unheard of benefit waiting as a reward...there really isnīt a whole lot more to say that I can think of.



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