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Re: Good point.
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Saturday, December 20 2003, 12:09:45 (EST)
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Andy Younan wrote:
>Farid,
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>I remember that, during one of the all-too-few times we had coffee at that little hut in Campbell, I was trying to find some common ground between us. I used what I thought to be an obvious example of "we can be certain about some things." I held up a napkin and said, "if I drop this, you know it will hit the ground." You answered, if I remember rightly, something like "No I don't. A million intermediate things could happen that I don't know about."
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>You were right, of course. A million things COULD happen - someone could walk by at the right second and catch the napkin before it hit the ground; it could land on my foot, or the wind could blow it onto the table.
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>Yet when it comes to Christianity, there is no intermediate thing that you might be missing - there is nothing in between "God loves me" and "I want to kill" that could define the meaning of the whole thing.

+++Of course there is silly...god himself. It was god who insisted first Ishmael and than Issac be taken out, hog tied and have their throats slit by THEIR loving father...that prevert Abraham we threw out of BetNahrain so he could go be a prophet to the Hebrews. God himself ordered the execution of his own son...in pain and suffering to the max...to teach us "love". Once you've absorebed that lesson and learned to accept the goodies that could NOT have come your way through love alone...not without the execution first...you're on the road to murder by the billions...as your church led the way...I know...they got it wrong. No, dear fellow...YOU get it wrong.

There were three feet between the napkin and the ground, but that three feet contained a million possibilities of fault in my prediction. But between Christian faith and action, there is the enormous unknown of the human psyche.

+++The Christian faith, as you call it with a straight face, is fit for the CHRISTIAN Psyche...not the "Human". You want to watch your Jesuit tricks. The enormous unknow satys just that with a sane humamn being who knows when he or she can't know...and doesn't need to know. You Jews and your awful spawn, Christians and Muslims...all devout fools, are the oines who MUST KNOW and being stupid enough to think you CAN know...come up with the multiplying absurdities you do that so clearly come from a human, not a divine, mind and not all that much of a mind to begin with.

You have constructed a chain of thoughts where, for example, believing in Christ's divinity leads NECESSARILY to violent action - never mind that the chain you've constructed sounds like the rambling of a madman to any Christian.

+++Being insane yourselves how would you know? Facts support my contention far more than yours. You're stuck having to find a millimeter and call it representative of the WHOLE thing...while I clearly see what blood the WHOLE thing has shed. And I'm not talking about "inspired" to be shed...but actually did the cutting and hanging and gouging and raping ITSELF!

You've got everyone SO figured out that there is NO WAY that Christian faith could lead logically to ANYTHING but what you say


+++Well damn me anyway why the hell do you think the Roamn Empire picked up the Franchise...out of LOVE? Mary, the mother of Jesus...the Jew mother of a Jew Jesus, is depicted in your brochures as a loving mother and no doubt was even without the "graces" f Christianity...and had no need to see her son crucified to learn a damn thing about Love. Your Jesus taught the world nothing about love...perfect or otherwise...as you still claim when you think no one is paying attention. I am NOT a child. I see through you to the people pulling your strings at a time when you didn't know what strings were and can't possibly allow yourself to even begin to think of now...not after you've invested...wasted I call it...so many years up to your ears in this drivel that you're now going to make a profession of...god help us all. Why so much fragrant oil and shit has to be poured on you to get you to Love anyone I'll never know...except maybe that you haven't the foggiest notion of what Love is or anything else you're talking about.

- and all the rest of the Christians in the world besides the three dozen in your history books are not living their faith fully - they are inconsistent.

+++Bullshit. Look back thgrough history and you'll see what Christianity brought into the world...death and more death SANCTIONEDF by and taught by this god of yours. People have always had it in them to Love...ever since the first ape mother loved her gorilla daughter. The world has paid dearly for this fucking faith of yours. YOU are the one with the narrow focus...hell you can't even swallow the entire book of horrors you have the effrontery to call the word of GOD but have to pick and choose your way over the gore and mnus and recipes for slaughter and infanticide and incest. Come on Andy...save a corner of your soul at least.

They HAVE to be, because there's no way it could possibly be otherwise. And, of course, those who SAY they're doing good BECAUSE of their faith are either lying or bad people for acting with an eye to heaven - as if wishing for your own happiness and acting with love toward others to that end were bad things.

+++Thosw who say they are doing good because of their faith...don't yet know that doing good must be its own reward...or you've just placed a price tag on goodness. We all know that you people can be bought...we've determmined that already...as with any whore, all we're doing is haggling over the price. You want Eternity to go down. I won't go down for anything. I'd rather go to hell clean.
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>Is it possible, Farid, that there is something that you don't see - something hidden in the unknown corners of the human mind but proclaimed by every Christian worth the name

+++There you go again...stop equating the human mind with a Christian mind. Aty other times you go to great lengths to pull yourselves apart as in you have the ONE true GOD...then whjen you get caught at it and don't know where to hide...you all of a sudden join the rest of us...but it's an old trick to slither and dodge the issue. You have a CHRISTIAN mind...and that isn't the same thing at all as a HUMAN one.

+++You boys remind me of a suppository up a whirling dervish arse.



- that would make the Saints the REAL Christians, and the REST the inconsistent ones? Or have you understood the human mind better than you've understood the three feet of air between that napkin and the concrete?

+++There's more than three feet of air between your ears...that's for certain. I don't know what passle of nincompoops you're calling "Saints"...but they're anything like that Fascist for hell...Mother Theresa...then you all deserve each other. They're saints to YOU...to me they were more damfools and the church they "sainted" for and that "sainted" them has more blood on its hands than even you can know.
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>That napkin, as I recall, DID hit the ground - it was my intention that it should, after all.

+++I'm surprised you didn't delare it a miracle...seeing as how YOU intended it. Who'd have thunk I was having coffe with the guy who rules Gravity?

It would have been fairly embarassing if someone DID walk by and grab it in mid-air - just like it's shameful to all Christians when someone uses Christianity for something it was never intended for.

+++It was exactly intended for what it's been used for and YOU'VE been used for exactly what you're supposed to be used for. You are the recruiting officer...the headhunter for this religion. It doesn't absolve you of responsibility because you're too dumb-in-god to know any better. Had you a mind worth the name you would have done a little independent thinking and stop telling me about your intentions to have napkins hit the ground and try to build an entire universe of "proves" from that...something that would have happened anyway if Jesus had been strangled in his crib.
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>Your tv pal,

figures...
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>Andy



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