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Re: Will you please EXPLAIN your DOCTRINE?
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Tuesday, April 27 2004, 8:37:44 (CEST)
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...I don`t have a doctrine...I`m not even Doctrinaire...I dropped out of school in the third grade to be a hod carrier..picked up what education I could from matchbook covers...it`s been a rough life.

ASHURAYA wrote:
>Dear F.Parhad:
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>Since I know you -on the websites- because we never met personally, you are raising the bans of criticism of everybody that I never seen you agree a little bit with one person.

...not true...I have agreed with lots of people...not with everything they say...I agree with Tiglath, Jeff...Doc when he isn`t being mathematically challenged...I can`t help it if the rest are idiots...I agree with Stella, I adore Stella...I agree with XXXX XXXXX when she isn`t in a straitjacket at the hospital...if you made any sense I`d probably agree with you.
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>In any event, you are free to take any stand you chose, and in the same time people are free to take their stand.

...well of course..what do you think this is...aina?
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>In no way people will be SAFE from criticism, because there is always room to do that.

...the best crticism seeks to improve..not slam. I don`t always do the best kind...but that`s only because there`s so much muck that has to be cleared out...you can`t built anything on this rotten bog called a Nayshun.
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>As far as I know, I think you should know by now where I stand, if you don't know then that is your problem and not mine.

...sure it is....like you could have explained yourself better in Swahili or Mumbo Jumbo..half the time I don`t know if you`re writing backwards on purpose or you just forgot...if I can`t understand your English, if that`s what it is, it`s MY problem???

...A sensible person with true things to say can do without advanced language skills...you can hop on one foot and wave and I`ll understand..but I doubt if even perfect language skills in any language would render you intelligible...
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>Just little bet I will explain my stand in these following lines because it seems to me you ignor my stand or pretend to ignor them:

...Okay...you give it your best shot and I`ll try not to get knocked over...
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>> As an Assyrian, I do beleive that Assyrianism should include people of Iraq and especially the north of Baghdad region no matter what kind of religious they practice.

...That`s our frist problem..you claim to be Assyrian..I see no evidence of it except you too talk a lot about it. On that basis you could be French or anything else if you talked a lot about being French or anything else. neither you nor I have a passport or birth certificate or anything that says we are Assyrian...WE say we are because we were told and we belived what we were told cause it sounded nice..though I didn`t because it LOOKED so damn foolish. This language of Christ business proves nothing...even by calling it that you show just where your notions of who you are come from..they come from church...that and European explorers.

...Other than that...since you can`t prove it by any other means...what you DO is all anyone has to go on. What I`ve seen you do is bash Kurds...who are as likely to have Assyrian genes as you or anyone in China. When you know nothing for certain, it behoves a wise person to speak softly..not rant the way you people do as if your idenity and claims were so obvious any but a fool would see them...or a Kurd and some other twenty enemies you people managed to rack up

...I KNOW I`m Assyrian because for some reason I was inspired to go out and do just about the stupidest thing a body can do if he ISN`T Assyrian...endure all the crap I had to swallow to build the first Assyrian, not Christian, monument..a statement of our PRIDE in bronze, in action, in a pridefull way where people can see and benefit from it...in 2500 years. I`m not the only one..many people have DONE. The rest of you talk..and what you say the most is that you hate and mistrust Muslims.

...If you can be Assyrian then everyone else in that region can too...end of story.
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>> I recognize that our people did many mistakes, but keep in mind that those mistakes were DONE in early last century when ISLAM was a threat to all Christians included the Assyrians

...if you look dispassionately at the last century...how in the name of all that`s holy do you conclude it was Islam that did the killing? Who declared war on whom in 1914? Who gained oil fields? Who said another country was a sick man who should be put out of his misery? Did the Egyptians attack France or did Napoleon go kill them? Did Muslims mount Crusades against Christianity or was it the other way around? If you feel America is justified in killing Ahghani wedding guests and starving Muslim children and attacking Iraq because of ONE attack against it by Muslims..then why can`t you see how much more cause Muslims have had to kill a thousand times more Christians than they have?

...Donny George...Tariq Aziz...my own father...and many other Christians prospered and did just fine in Iraq and Turkey and Syria and Arabia...just fine. When you preach sedition..that the country you are a minority of really belongs to you..and teach this to your children in the language of Jesus even..you are breaking laws that are on the books in EVERY country ever known to Man..or Woman...you are playing with fire...you are lighting the torch that will consume everyone..especially as all Muslims know and remember the Christians lurking near their borders waiting for a "call" to come save Christians...save them for their use and then dump them...as will happen again.

So...it isn`t Muslims who went ten thousand miles out of their way to kill Christians in the last century..it has been the Christians who did it...and OF COURSE the Christians of the Mideast paid the price..especially as they made no secret of their hope that this would happen and they could benefit by it. In all this time there has been ONE attack against a Western Christian nation..as a nation..while in the same time America has been meddling at will in the MidEast...just remember Sanctions and it`s enough to lay your point to rest...like the 500,000 children laid to their rest...after a torturous and early death that was DELIBERATELY inflicted on them and announced on TV as a "policy"..an "acceptable" one. When did Muslims ever do such a thing in the last century? And we won`t even go into the barbarous way Israel has been performing for America.

, remember close to a million Assyrians were vanished by those ISLAMIC fanatics you are tryin to back up. Remember , Urmea massacre, KHOY massacre, Semile massacre and so on.

...I`m nopt backing any murderers up..I`m trying to stop the murder...by showing that murder and revenge breeds murder and revenge..that the cycle is endless...besides I don`t buy your figures at all...you people have steadily refused to believe UN figures gathered TODAY for the number of Iraqi children killed through Sanctions..and I don`t give a shit if it`s an Assyrian Christian or a Muslim Christian or a Kurdish Assyrian or an Isreali or a Chinese child or mother or man that gets killed.. I`m not choosing up sides like this was an after school sport...we are ALL people..they are all MY people. If I want my child to live in peace and security I can`t shoot the parents of his schoolmates.

...I lost family in those places too..I came near losing my own life and was subjected to humiliation by Muslims too...but it taught me the uselessness of revenge...it didn`t give me a desire to out-barbarian the barbarian. Murder will beget more murder...but forgiveness might alo breed forgiveness...in any case, that`s my hope. I don`t want to live at ANY price. Killing the innocent children of those who killed our innocent parents..if that`s what you`re suggesting..just continues the cycle.
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>> I was the first Assyrian who came up with a new DOCTRINE that include the Arabic speaking people of Iraq as Assyrians no matter what kind of religion they belong.

...good for you...I`m glad to hear that.
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>> I did have SYMPATHY with the Iraqi people during those years of sanctions and I DID the following:
>1- I wrote many letters to the President of the U.S. and other senators and I do have their responses to confirm what I did.
>2- I did vist Iraq with a token help twice , one in 1992 and the second time 1997 and I took the heat from the CORRUPT ASSYRIANS who were trying to tarnish my name, where they DIDN'T succeed, because I was sincerely in my mission, frankly in it I didn't hav to hind any thing and people were informed, and it was on my own expenses- I do have all the documents that will silence those big mouthes in our people.

...I would never doubt your word...
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>Now, could you please inform us what is your AGENDA or precisely , what you need us to do ?

...I have none. There are far wiser people with those kinds of ideas..I think stopping the fighting everywhere is a good place to start...but it isn`t up to me. I had absolutely no agenda when I started...except to get a monument built and then maybe another..but along the way something rotten came to my attention..it is this religious claim to an exclusive hold on an ethnic identity..one that never heard of Christ or needed to. I don`t like scumbags parading around as Assyrians...holding them up to ridicule is my agenda...if I have to have one...at least as far as these thingies go.

...I`m convinced there are bright, sane, semsitive and talented Assyrians out there who are ashamed and afraid to be known..to get involved when these assholes will take off after their children and mothers as a way of keeping Assyria Grat. There`s a desperate effort to keep the Heritage at a subhuman level, with a level of performance and requirements and standards somewhere below moronic and at the upper end, close to sophmoric...anyone challenging the self-loathing and low self-esteem that makes up this National Shit is consideered an ENEMA of this kind of ridiculous Assyria..because he or she will make it that much harder for a Peter or Aprim or Jatou to claim they are Assyrians..and so they work steadily to keep the standard so low their idiot relatives, and mine, can easily and with little effort cross over.

It shouldn`t be this laughably easy to be Assyrian..meaninglessly so.
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>A little note: the only thing we hear from you is what you write on this or other forums, if you did any service to the IRAQI people where you shed your tears let us be informed, we will hail you.

..I don`t need to be hailed by you or anyone and I don`t shed my tears for you to see or prove a point. The Iraqi people have been sold down the two rivers for several generations to come...for years ahead the children of Iraq will bear deep scars nothing but death will erase. There is nothing I am willing to do about that...just as I wasn`t going to go to Iraq to make Julia happy.

...The kind of things the Mideast suffers from come more from Washington and Whitehall than anywhere else...it was the same with Cuba...Che told gringo kids to go to Washington, where he couldn`t go, if they wanted to help the Revolution...and do what he would love to do, but wasn`t allowed to...Iraq`s problems come from America..what hit Iraq wasn`t a massive earthquake or other natural disaster for which we only need send blankets and dry milk..what hit Iraq was America...and I still believe education is the best..the only way. Nothing will come from any conferrence..nothing will come from speeches..nothing will come from lofty titles..you`d think, having ten zillion Secretary Generals to as many "political" parties....all for laughs...we`d know that by now.

Americans are pig-ignorant people in the main...educating them a bit more about just what they`re destroying...is the only thing I can think of that might lay a solid foundation...but the pay-off, if any, will come way after I`m long dead and rotting blissfully.

...you go to heaven.
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>Ashur Beth-Shlimon
>_____________________________
>27 Nisan 6754 / 27 April 2004



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