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Re: the mind of a madman PART TWELVE
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Monday, April 5 2004, 11:56:14 (EDT)
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If Assyrians had a strong and solid state, with governments and
> institutions, schools and universities, media and economic markets, the
> answer would be: from this position of strength, Assyrians should
> attempt to bring back the Muslim Assyrians, but only if they converted
> to Christianity and learned to speak, read and write Assyrian (the
> language of the Assyrian state),

…whoa there Atilla…what gives you any say so about what Muslims need to do to be acceptable to you? Who put you in charge? There`s a good reson why you Christians have none of those things and the Muslims do..or wiould stand a better chance of having if they weren`t attacked periodically by Christians.

…Why the hell do Muslims have to convert to anything to be Assyrian? Just shows you that all you people mean when you say Assyrian is CHRISTIAN…would YOU convert to Islam to be considered a REAL Assyrian by them? You don`t even have to convert to Islam to be a REAL Iraqi to them! All they ask is that you obey their laws and preach sedition in the guise of your history…as any country would.


for if they did none of these things,
> they would become a centrifugal force, creating great internal division
> and weakening and perhaps ultimately destroying the Assyrian state from
> within.

…you people feel everyone is out to get you because all you think about is getting THEM! They don`t need a fucking thing from you except to have you gone from their territories…and that doesn`t mean ALL Christians..just the ones Saddam and any leader of Iraq with any sense would want out of the country or in jail…do you really think Muslims in prison in New York for preaching sedition and violence in the guise of “history” would get anywhere at all claiming they were in prison BECAUSE they are Muslims??? Are you nuts!
>
> But since Assyrians have no state and lack these resources, what should
> be done?
…nothing…which is exactly what you got plenty of…this national bullshit of your isd intended to disguise the fact that you write atrocious poetry and blame it on the Muslim conquest.


The answer must be pragmatic and realistic: we are now a very
> weak people, and we cannot even unite ourselves, much less bring
> radically different elements into our fold. We have not the resources to
> pursue this path, and we should not, for there is mortal danger in it:
> expropriation and co-opting of Assyrianism, numerical nullification of
> our cause and the introduction of Fifth Columns into our folds.

…Jeez, you`re a blowhard! You`re so damn afraid all the time…the Muslims DON`T WANT TO BE IN YOUR FOLD! You remind me of the Racist who doesn`t want Blacks moving in next door when the LAST thing they want is to live next door to Honky. They want to LEFT ALONE in their OWN neighborhoods..and not brutalized by white cops….Muslim Assyrians have the country…as they`ve had it now for 1300 years…they don`t NEED you or want to join your fold…they are NOT sheep! You are the one who wants to change all of THEM over,,and YOU agonize about the plausibility of such a thing??? Or its desirability??? Who WANTS to join you???


> Imagine if all Muslim Iraqis suddenly acknowledged that they are
> Assyrians, and decided to change the name of Iraq to Assyria. They would
> claim that they are Assyrians, and they are the children of Sargon and
> Ashurbanipal; they would restore and rebuild the Assyrian archaeological
> sites, take pride in their rich heritage, and go on the Hajj every year.
> What has changed? Nothing for us; we would still be the persecuted
> Christian minority, denied its ethnic and civil rights.
…there are no “ethnic” rights for Christians..there are religious beliefs and practices and you`ve always been allowed that…what you CAN`T do is teach your children sedition and make Treason into a sacrament…YOU make the same ridiculous claim that you are the children of Ashurbanipal.

…you are NOT persecuted for being Assyrian OR Christian. There are plenty of extremist Muslims in jails all over the MidEast..being Muslim or Christian does NOT get you in jail. Everytime one of you lands there for perfectly legitimate reasons you start screaming that you`re behind bars because you`re Assyrian or Christian! That is bullshit…you are there because you broke laws…as would happen anywhere in the world.


They would deny
> that we are Assyrians, they would claim that they are the real
> Assyrians, and the claim would not be false for a lot of them.
…I deny that you`re Assyrian. It isn`t just them.. YOU deny that they can BE Assyrian without CONVERTING to Christianity..which means that to you being Christian comes BEFORE being Assyrian…you try to make your prejudice into a genetic marker of Assyrianism…you nut. They have been far more tolerant of you people than you EVER were or will be of them..it was Iraq that took the Christians from Iran and Turkey INTO their country…and you soon enough repaid them by claiming it was YOUR land all along and then you dressed up and worked for the Brits and wonder why there was a Simele!!!



But what
> of us? Would their Islamic intolerance leave them?
…as soon as your Christian intolerance leaves you.


Would they allow us
> to teach our language and history?
…depends..I can`t teach the truth about the war on Iraq in American schools in ENGLISH, let alone in the language of Christ OR Balzac. Your take on history is all racism and intolerance and whining…of course they won`t let you teach it..they don`t teach the real history of Vietnam or even the two World Wars in America OR the Revolutionary War----What you call teaching history is spreading this cheap propaganda…do you think they`re as stupid as you are?


Why should we expect 1400 years of
> Islamic culture to be suddenly swept away by their newly found
> Assyrianism?
…they aren`t interested in finding anything…they pay homage to their past..to ALL of it. They just have a lot more going for them…like 1300 years of history you refuse to acknowledge and kept apart from in those villages of yours huddled at the foot of a priest. You are the minority..it isn`t for you dictate anything,….go your ways. Assyrian Muslims will go theirs.


Old habits die hard. Islam is intolerant of other
> religions,
…Bullshit…Islam is the ONLY place the Jews ever found refuge and prospered, and they accorded Christians every respect and freedom till you waxed delirious over the notion of Western Christianity saving you and GIVING you Muslims lands.…it is you Christians who are the most intolerant and intolerable people this poor earth has ever seen.


and this would not change by the reawakening of these "Muslim
> Assyrians". We would still be "those Christians."

…exactly…for that is what you are…what you have always been to them. There isn`t anything Assyrian about you and there never was…not over there not anywhere else. When you people land in the West you don`t build those “dear” Assyrian museums and universities and anything..you build churches and go right back to stabbing each other in the back.
>
> This scenario, of course, is unlikely to happen, but here is a dangerous
> scenario much more likely to occur: anti-Assyrian governments and groups
> can use this as a wedge into our movement

…you have no movement…no one is interested in you for any reason…if there was an Assyria somewhere and you were urging ASSYRIANS to attack Iraq…then they might throw you in jail for being stupid Assyrians. They dislike you and mistrust you because you are CHRISTIAN..and they don`t feel that way about ALL Christians..just the ones who use their religion and then heap on their supposed descent from Sargon as a justification and FRONT to call for revenge against Islam and your Muslim brothers and sisters.


It is possible, for example,
> for Iraq to sponsor a group of "Muslim Assyrians" and use that group as
> a Fifth Column to retard and possibly nullify the Assyrian movement.
…you`re all retarded on your own…no one needs to do anything to you more than you do to each other. I`m sure you think the Ashurbanipal monument and the rest were part of this fifth column…you are a screaming paranoiac.


The
> Fifth Column would divert whatever resources we have into fighting it,
> and would prevent us from working on the real and pressing issues; we
> would be thrown into the quagmire of attempting to reconcile two
> fundamentally irreconcilable groups.
…yeah, YOU and human beings.


Indeed, our enemies are already
> using a similar tactic with our denominations.
..oh great..now he blames nefarious Muslims for their OWN stupid ass sectarian squabbles…they were already at each other`s throats before they ever heard of Islam! I swear to god when Peter can`t get a hard-on he thinks there are five columns of Muslims somewhere out to get him.

The very existence of
> two "Assyrian" groups, one Muslim and one Christian, would greatly
> damage our credibility and our case, and would throw doubt into the mind
> of any potential ally.
…you have no allies..no one wants to hear from you or needs to ally themselves to a bunch of sects…which makes you think SOMEONE out there did this to you! People of any sense already know your quaint senses of being the ONLY Assyrians because you are CHRISTIANS is absurd..so naturally you think FIVE COLUMNS got to them first and turned them against you!!!


If we call for civil rights for Assyrians in
> Iraq, the Fifth Column would claim, as Assyrians, that they have civil
> rights. If we ask to teach our language, the Fifth Column would say that
> Arabic is our language. The Fifth Column would constantly oppose us, and
> effectively halt our progress. In the end, it would boil down to the
> Christians versus the Muslims, and it would become a religious issue,
> and hence we would be treated as a religious minority. Back to square one.

…EXACTLY…you`d be back at the point you started at..which is 1. You have no special rights to anyone`s home…2. You have to obey the laws of the Land 3. You cannot use spurious claims to Christ`s language as a means to teach whatever you please to call history and TRUTH…this has all indeed been just Christian vs Muslims…all you`ve hoped to do is strengthen your case as a religious minority by claiming YOU are the direct descendants of the indigenous people of the land and the Muslims CAN`T BE because they are MUSLIM…and you wonder why you`re all falling all over yourselves…and of course blame your own ineptitude and blanket stupidity on OTHERS out to GET YOU!
>
> Painful as it may be, we must accept the loss of these Muslim Assyrians
> and move on with our struggle. These Muslim Assyrians are gone, forever,
> and there is no hope of their recovery.

…thank god…for then they would be as dumb as you are. They aren`t lost..they certainly don`t want to be recovered by you…they`ve seen nothing impressive about Christianity that they`d want to convert and won`t even after you pounded their homes, killed their children, empties the supermarkets and come now bearing a food basket and a cross…fuck you AND your Christ…this is all you people EVER used that poor dumb bastard for.
>
> The Muslim Assyrians are a hornet's nest -- a bomb ready to explode in
> our midst.
…seesm to me you Christians are the ones exploding bombs in their midst.

We should not stir this nest nor tinker with this deadly
> device, for it will sting us and consume us. As nationalists, we should
> have an understanding and agreement amongst ourselves not to discuss
> this, and to steer any discussion away from this, and maneuver in such a
> way as to prevent our enemies from using against us this most deadly
> device.

…good luck. You don`t need enemies..you shoot yourselves regularly. Steer discussions into the toilet if you want to..makes no difference to anything..this is all by way of maintaining your own personal hatred of Muslims…Jassim. Many a Nazi truned out to have Jews in his background as well..the more fervent the hatred of oneself, the more people look and sound like you. Be consoled howevere..you are not wasting your energy for you have every GOOD reason to hate yourself.
>
> Our most powerful defense against this attack is based on the historical
> truth: the thread of Assyrian continuity weaves unbroken through the
> Christians.
…that`s a truth to you??? The thread is as broken as it would be if a Jew became a Christian or Muslim. Nothing weaves through you but rivers of bullshit. No one is attacking you..no one cares to. You fall down all on your own and insist someone tripped you..someone HAD to because how could you possibly trip on your own? You people have been in America for 100 years and what have you done as Assyrians? Xactly..wasn`t no Muslims or Turks or Persians who stopped the monuments or took Rabel`s painting off the wall..it was Christians like you.

…you pose a “question” at the onset…”· DOES the thread of Assyrian doodles weave unbroken through Chriastians”?…forty pages later, after putting down your grievances, your paranoid suspicions, your absurd historical facts and and a whole lot of speculation…you reach your conclusion, which is…”as I have shown, yes indeed the thread of Assyrian whatever is unbroken through Christians…” And who does this work on? Why the very same people you help keep so addlepated and ditzy they actually think you just PROOOOVED something.

The evidence for this is that the Christians assert their
> separate ethnicity en masse,
…Christianity is not an ethnicity..it is a religion. It is YOUR dumb fiction that the Christian RELIGION is the same as an Assyrian ETHNICITY. Christianity came from the Jews not the Assyrians…if Islam PROOVES Arab ethnicity, which of course it doesn`t since most Muslims aren`t even Arabs…but IF it did, then Christianity would be PROOVES of JEWISH ETHNICITY.

The belief in ASHUR was “proof” of ASSYRIAN ETHNICITY..though even then there was no such thing…this is Fascism at work.

but Muslims do not do so (aside from one or
> two individuals). This is our best defense. In our occupied homelands
> our strength is our uniqueness, and our uniqueness is defined by the
> coupling of our Christianity and ethnicity.
…you got THAT right. It is a unique piece of horseshit…I`ll grant you. No one else who walks upright or hopes to in the near future woulod confuse religion with ethnicity..and certainly not when that religion was invented by a totally separate ethnicity than the one they claim descent from…this does indeed make you UNIQUE..and therefore so easy to dismiss.

We must emphasize our
> Christian heritage and frame it in the context of ethnic continuity.
…what the hell you think you BEEN doing? And it`s gotten you exactly nowehere except to more splits and cracks…yet you will NEVER look to this nonsense or the fools who spread it for the reason…no, it`s a fifth column out to GET YOU!

…frame it any way you want..create all the ZOWWAs and political FRONTS you want…no one is fooled but you fools..and even you don`t believe it…your “truths” are another front..the real truth is that you want your sister…and any other brothers and sisters who turn or turned to Islam blotted out from memory…even to cheering on their murder…murder most foul and unjust….you are inhuman.

> Simo Parpola's work points the way, for Christianity itself is an
> Assyrian development, and we continued as Assyrians under its guise,
> preserving our pre-Christian cultural and linguistic heritage to this day.

…it proves no such thing. The Jews learned from us and stole from us..and got it all wrong in the Christian nonsense the Romans extrapolated from all of it in order to continue their rule over people..only this time with their consent and even thanks. It is a monumental scam…that`s all. Decency and justice and good deeds and laws and civilized behavior and kindness were all well established long before the ancestor of Jesus was fucking men`s wives and sending his friends to their deaths. In that regard there may be “similarities” between Ashur and the teachings of Christ because WE CAME FIRST and developed the morality..as you can see they even had to steal “their” Creation Myth from us…and Utnapishtim and Sargon…the similarities flow from us to them, not the other way around…so much for your Assyrian nationalism…you reconstituted Jew.

We did not continue under its guise…according to you we ran in fear and hid under its guise..while under Islam the Assyrians became mighty before the lord again and created an empire to dazzle and save the world from Christian bonfires.

..it`s over Pete…you and your offspring will assimilate your Christianity with the raher weak and tepid one of the West…your children will become increasingly lousy Christians as ever they were “Assyrian”. The future lies with those of us who see past the religions and don`t hate each other for the sake of Jew based gods. You`re history already…bad history.



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