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Andy Younan
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Farid, >+++I'm nopt asking you about all history...it's very simple and it is the central point of your own friggin religion and of your own self as well so I should think you'd more than Blahs to say about it. Skip all the choirboy bullshit...your religion tells you to eat the body and drink the blood of a dead god made into a man so he could be killed and really feel the pain. And because pf that murder...insisted on by his own father...you will derive an unheard of benefit...get to live forever on a cloud somewhere. I believe that the same God who created the universe and became man, who died on a cross and rose from the dead, makes himself present to the world continuously in the most humble way imaginable - in the form of bread and wine. The Eucharist IS the re-presentation of that same sacrifice in which Christ died for the sins of the world out of love. By eating his body and drinking his blood, I live in him and he in me, and remember what he did so I can try and do the same - which is the whole point of the faith. To live in Christ. You do not believe that Christ is God. I do. That makes all the difference in the world. If he were only a man, then you'd be absolutely right - the Mass would be a horrible ritual recalling murder and celebrating cannibalism. But I don't believe that, and the Church never has, and if you want to talk about the faith of the Church, you have to look at it as a whole. The Creator of the universe takes on the form of a small wafer and a glass of wine. I can't explain the Eucharist any better than that. Mock away. >If a friend of your's named Mary bought you some flowers for your Urination but did it with money she made selling her body...would you accept the gift and say..."well what I am I supposed to do, poor dear...she worked so HARD for that money". If that happened I'd make sure she stopped selling her body. I don't get the analogy. >If someone kills someone else and brings you his shoes as gift...do you acept this kind of gift? Well why not...you sling Christ's body up and pray in front of it grateful for the gift that could have come your way in no other way bit through his murder. Even the secular arm relaizes that's a crime and you can't get off the hook by saying "But he WANTED to die...HONESTLY". That's what the Church believes, Farid. I'm not sure what you think you're criticizing here...Christianity or your own understanding of it. Are you or are you not saying that "the Christian faith leads to immorality?" Don't you think you should know what "the Christian faith" is before telling us all what it leads to? >Jesus didn't scarifice a goddamn thing...he spoke out in ways his conscience told him to...like lots of people did before and since..people who KNEW damn well the fire was going to hurt...that it wasn't a temporary thing after which they'd rise up and get cleaned off and go rule the universe...and they all managed to go to their deaths for their beliefs...not a one of them "sacrificed" anything...they LIVED UP TO what they believed even at that awful price. Let's see you utter a peep about the murder of your own people by these Christians of yours. Jesus was executed because he claimed to be God, and you're right, execution was the plain old legal Roman penalty for that. By all accounts Christ could've easily avoided his death, but he didn't. He chose it - he insisted on it when everyone tried to turn him away. It was his act of choosing to die for the world, not the act of his killers, that saved the world. >Jesus broke a law...plain and simple and he paid the price millions of criminals...including those of Conscience, have paid...and they had no hope of being whisked to heaven...they all knew better. You want to paint it in these colors because it ties children in knots to think this poor fellow was led to slaughter FOR THEM....when he had no such notion at all. Not what the Church believes...we're still talking about the Christian faith, right? >Yes I make mistakes and I have lousy ideas...but I went out and found them and I tested them and I live by them and suffer the consequences. You'll say you do the same and you're partially correct...but these ideas of yours are old and musty and they are KILLING PEOPLE...those very ideas of yours...not some other ones. You're not talking about any idea of mine. >You are part of an institution and as nice and sweet a guy as you may be personally...at some point maturity dictates that you look around and see what you're associated with...and DON'T tell me you're going to "work from within". > >You're religion...which demanded Jesus be killed for the benefits to flow, has become blood-crazy...as it's been many times in the past...and it's up to people who are what Jesus was in his day...NOT "working for change" within the Sanhedrin which you belong to...take it down. I wouldn't dream of it. What the Church needs - what the whole world needs - is MORE Christianity and not less...it needs to be MORE like Christ. >++++These are the games you play. You preach this crap to 100 kids and when 65 of them take it to its logical conclusion and start killing people...you know "sacrificing" them...you pull back in horror... How is it the logical conclusion again? I can see the bumper stickers now: "Jesus died for me...and so can YOU!" "Christianity...so you can be just like the Romans!" >+++Give it a break. These sweet humble people stood by, like you...while 500,000 children were killed by the wrong kind of Christians...the ones that failed your class. No one said you could have stopped it...any more than Jesus stopped the Romans...but you could TRY! When did Jesus try to "stop the Romans?" And from what? >+++Christianity is the one that starts and ends in murder. The rest had prophets and most of them died a natural death...no one celebrates murder the way you people do...just because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside doesn't mean it's anything but unhealthy and unsettling. Christianity starts and ends in a God of love in whose image we were created. The core of your problem – and it is YOUR problem, my friend – is that you misplace the source of all these graces. You seem to think that it was in the act of the Romans killing Christ that we’re now able to get into heaven. Perfectly wrong. It was in the act of Christ’s will which chose to die out of love that any of this is possible…and THAT’S what this is all about: choosing to love at any and all costs. Your tv pal, Andy --------------------- |
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