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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Tuesday, February 24 2004, 12:01:27 (EST)
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...let`s say all Assyrians became Christians and when the Muslims invaded they too turned Christian...that would be 1300 years ago...now how in the hell would you know today which Assyrian in Iraq was Arab and which was not...especially as they all would have intermarried? If religion is the ONE TRUE marker...then anyone converting to Christianity back then would be considered an Assyrian today.

And what of the Christians from BetNahrain who come to Americva and forget the language and the culture and can`t wait to be White...are they still Assyrian? If you say "yes" because they started out that way...then why can`t those who turned Muslim back when still be Assyrian because "they started out that way"? What`s the difference, besides racial prejudice, for it to be okay for an Assyrian being able to become an American and before that a Christian...but NOT okay for him to become an Egyptian and forget his language...and a Muslim to boot...or an Englishman who also converts to Islam...or Buddhism?

Or...let`s say they give these Christians an "Assyria". Will there never be any migrants or naturalized citizens allowed? If there are...will they all have to become Christian in order to receive Assyrian citizenship? And...as every Assyrian who lands in America can`t wait to be an American citizen and insists on being accorded all the rights and privilleges of American citizenship, and especially where his children who are BORN American are concerned...will a Muslim who migrates to "Assyria" EVER be given full citizenship or will he have to live in an Apartheid Bantuland forever?

Or...if the Muslims invaded and turned EVERYONE in BetNahrain Muslim...would that have been the end of all Assyrians? If one Assyrian managed to avoid being converted...would he or she have been the last Assyrian?

What if there were today one family from that distant past that had stubbornly held on to it`s god Ashur, while all around them everyone else first became Christian and then many of those, if not most of them, turned Muslim next. Given Christianity`s history of "prosletyzing" and "Evangelicizing" people to death...whom do you suppose would have attacked the few remaining followers of Ashur more...the Muslims or the Christians...and then you tell me the difference.

Today if you say you believe in Ashur and reject Christ or Muhammad, you are laughed at by Christians...I don`t know what Muslims would do since they tolerate Yezidis AND Christians...while the Christians have been attacking those lands for 1500 years and are still at it.

What would have been the fate of ANY Assyrians remaining true to their original religion and culture the way the Jews have almost done?

I contend that I am one of the most "Assyrian" people around because of what I have DONE. I`m not the only one...I`m not the best one...but I`m certainly one of them...and that includes any Christian Assyrian you want to mention...that I`ve heard of...and if there is one who`s achieved more...then why haven`t you told us about him? We have William Daniel and other great poets it`s true...but I`m not talking about how good any of us are in and for ourselves...I mean good at giving this heritage what it`s dying for a lack of...public exposure. What good does it do to be very great and known only to ten people...and not even to the majority of your own people? But if you measure our needs...the needs of any minority no one ever heard of...the greatest single thing it needs is EXPOSURE...or else it can be great and die great.

It just so happens that I am NOT Christian or Muslim or Jew. I`m not about to pray to anybody and I`ll be pissed as hell if I ever wake up in a heaven and have to spend an eternity with Yahwe. But I DO respect the obvious and as yet unknown achievements of the my ancestors who were inspired by their belief in Ashur...and so I respect that Ashur...and what a belief in him did for our people...as I despise what a belief in a jew carpenter, you want to make a god of, did to our people and how he robbed them of all inspiration to do anything but follow in his footsteps to death and worse.

And it`s interesting...as a non-Christian...and yet as one who has achieved more than any ten Peters or Aprims and Hannas...I am despised by these people because I won`t pay any anything to their Jew god.

Are these people Assyrian?

This is palpably a religious squabble between the same sects that have been giving that region headaches for centuries...between which church you belong to and which Mar you follow...and all they`ve done is create "political" parties to hide behind, reflecting the same old denominational splits and jealousies and insanity...and they REALLY believe that no one sees through this...that anyone outside of these hothouses they`ve created which serve to stifle growth and civilized development, doesn`t know this is a foolish attempt to "win one for Christ"...the only bone of contention being WHICH version of Christ...like they`ve been arguing about for 1500 years and more.

They have concocted an Assyrian identity they barely pay lip service to...managing to draw a cartoon or two and print up some dumb ass books about...but NOWHERE do you see any fire or passion in them for things Assyrian...NOT Christian, but Assyrian...and when they see it in someone...ahem...it scares the shit out of them and pisses them off too because they`re afraid the jig will soon be up...that other people will start wondering about the "love" they bear a Heritage they`ve only managed to smear and embarrass and now kill and bomb and starve to death and cheer on the murder of their own people who happen to have left the same god the Christians left...but for different one.

This is such arrant knavery...such collosal lying and cheating and such callousness in not caring how much suffering they have brought to ALL the people of BetNahrain...that they even have the gall to argue about exactly how many Assyrians have been killed by them and through their good offices...while they bring us "facts and figures" from 1000 years ago and swear on their mother`s grave that IT IS ALL TRUE.

...it is nothing but shame.

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