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There are certain falacies which prevent certain percentage of our people from accepting or believing that we can achieve and are able to maintain a state in the Assyrian Homelands. Thank God that the percentage aforementioned is in a downward trend with time and continuous accomplishments of our national front.

...front indeed. What you usually have to do with the boys is take the opposite of what they say to be the fact. This is the case with them because they live to talk..and talk a lot. And when it`s all just talk, well you can say anything you want to…sort of like corporations getting an “expert” on the TV news they own to say that in his EXPERT opinion Boogle Corp`s stock is going to shoot up soon…next day, sure enough, a bunch of Christian boys will go out and buy Boogle stock and the expert will have proven to be right on…only trouble is, as happened to a WHOLE lot of boys a few years ago..there is nothing to Boogle Corp EXCEPT some clever people who own a lot of things and the Media to push them with

...With this mind…let`s look at that paragraph again…the first fallacy that strikes me is the notion that when the artifacts were discovered, only the Christians there could claim direct descent from the people who made those artifacts. Since we know that the language of their church was Aramaic..and Christ spoke Asramaic and the Assyrians who converted to Islam would NOT speak Aramaic much longer…speaking Aramaic is no PROOF that you are Assyrian, anymore than being Christian is. Anyone who moved to BetNahrain and became Christian would, 100 years later, be assuring everyone that HE was originally and indigenously ASSYRIAN…likewise we know from their current behavior that any Christian converting to Islam..be his Assyrian credentials ever so pure…would from that moment on be a traitor to Christ..which to them is the same as betraying Ashur (never mind they all did the same thing) and that person would no longer be able to call himself an Assyrian..simply by changing the religion…and maybe too by forgetting this “dear” language of theirs…which by the way more and more of their children in the West are doing so I guess THEY can`t be “genetically” and “DNA PROOVES “Assyrian any longer.

...Besides which, the numbers of people buying into this nonsense is shrinking, not growing, Because they yell a LOT MORE they fool themselves , or think to fool others, into believing there are a whole lot of them. After this recent inhumane and murderous and completely unprovoked war against women and children and parents and grandparents, I`d say there are less and less people, Christian and others, who want any more. And of course they think to stem this tide of growing apathy and revulsion by TELLING you in WORDS that the numbers are growing…so maybe you`ll want to join??? Please??? Everyone else is??? no???

...If we are going to accept the idea that the people above the soil are related to the people below it..then ALL the people there are descendants of the Assyrians and everyone else who ever fucked there. To get around this the boys have said that all Muslims in Iraq MUST be Arabs because Islam came from Arabia and so, obviously, did all of them for they REFUSE to admit the possibility that many of their cousins turned to Islam as they turned to Christ…why? I don`t know except that`s the way they like it or YOU can`t write on their forums.

...If, however, you accept that illogic then it still backfires on them…as does everything else which is why they are becoming increasingly SILENT over there. Since Christianity is no more indigenous to BetNahrain than Islam is..and since it originated in Israel…then it would be just as correct to say that all Christians in Betnahrain are Jews…or Christians if you prefer, because their religion is from Israel..the home of Christ and therefore neither the Muslim Assyrians NOR the Christian Assyrians belong there and they should ALL get the hell out and turn the place over to me…who am neither Jew, Christian or Muslim. I promise to be fair…we always were.

...Having been stymied by this argument…like all their other pet sillies that have been turned back on them…they naturally decided to talk a LOT MORE…as a way of bolstering each other and defending each other from the truth…they never met a lie they couldn`t use.

Once our people strengthen their belief in themselves and their legitimate ability to regain their national honour by way of securing political sovereignty on our ancestral homelands achieving the same will be an easy task for this nation which has proven its abilities through the recorded long list of accomplishments against all odds.

...okay, recently I used the word “honor” several times…and as they all read me and get most of their ideas from me anyway…and since he doesn`t know the meaning of the word but likes its SOUND…I`d say he just threw that in for looks.

...They can achieve no political anything for they are all religious denominations with those Fronts they love so much...like we don`t see them back there on their knees... and those are by no means their ancestral homelands alone. They are as much the ancestral homelands of everyone there, there`s no cut-off date for when an ancestor becomes one…no one in the world can come up with a formula that would distinguish between who is and who isn`t and certainly the boys`own test ie: being Christian…works nowhere but in their heads.

...This nation-that-isn`t has no long list of achievements…not since turning Christian and running for the hills. It HAD a long list of achievements, one the boys love to use to hide behind..but that too fools no one. They can`t throw a dance..they can`t run a convention…they can`t run a soccer league…they can`t get monuments installed, they can`t operate a forum and they speak with as many tongues as the old Tower of Babel ever heard..only this time it is indeed pure nonsense.

Those who are directly involved in the national arena, and this sector of our nation includes every Assyrian who writes, comments, is involved in any shape or form in any discussion intended for advancing our national cause,

...and there you have it…if you TALK and put it in WRITING and you make these dicheaded DEMANDS and list these PROOVES…you are “involved” in national work. If it were so easy…poor dears…they want SO MUCH to matter somewhere and hope to do it by never stepping foot outside those villages….just declaring themselves ad nauseum

must unite in ideology based on academic nationalism, intended to strengthen our nation through strengthening its members economically, academically and equipping them with national knowledge in order that they in turn can willingly with pride re-contribute to the formula.

...the "formula" is to beat Islam over the head. For which you don`t need much education…in fact the less education you have the better…for you`ll believe those Syriac manuscripts no one else in the world takes seriously. What the hell is national knowledge? It`s their fiction again, I guess..that they are a nation. Seems to me a good place to begin any education, national or local, is with a dictionary, in which case you`d blow this “formula” out of the toilet.

there have been many suggestions made as to what we must do in order that we may capitalize on a wider scale of our human resources, if not immediately, in the near future and I implore you to give these suggestions some thought and perhaps you will find the wisdom in these suggestions and turn them into action.

...none of you…not you either…has any notion or concept of action..or any desire to engage in any…unless you mean begging and demanding and whining. I`ve made several suggestions myself about what you can do with this formula..where you can put it for safe-keeping…but does anyone listen???

We have discussed so much here and everywhere else where humans can communicate in and through yet very little is turned into action. Why? The reason is that we try to find the shortest and most difficult means of achieving what we desire

...difficult? What CAN you mean? Was this very hard for you to write?

and we are not prepaired for the consequences. Yes we must explore all possibilities as far as the means to achieve what we seek to achieve, but not to procrastinate awaiting the miracle without action.

...this is pure treacle…sweet sounding stuff that cloys the appetite without satisfying anything.

Suggestion:
Dig out from archives all suggestions as to what action we must take to advance our national movement and aims, and discuss them and reach a concensus as to what action to take to achieve our goals.

...let`s assume that`s already happened…now what? You still have to go to other nations and governing bodies..and do you think a troop of braying jackasses will fare any better, or be listened to any more congenially than one? When you clear the dust and the sugar and bile from your formula..what remains? say you all NOW speak with one voice…and say they all decided it should be your voice…what next? You`re still left with this ridiculous notion that the land belongs to YOU because you are CHRISTIAN…for you can produce nothing at all that proves you are Assyrians..nothing. And you all KNOW that. In fact, I seriously doubt any of you WANT that day to come..the day you`ll be one great big stupid voice and you`ll have to put up or shut up….I don`t think ONE of you dares go before impartial scholars..not your churchmen..and make these proves. I KNOW Aprim wouldn`t do it…you wouldn`t either. The LAST thing you want is to WORK for what you say you want…the LAST thing.

To me this will be a positive action
In the meantime I shall continue to pray for
ASSYRIA FOR ASSYRIANS
WITHOUT THIS
DEATH TO IRAQ, QURDISTAN AND ANY OTHER BASTARD COUNTRY ON ASSYRIAN HOMELANDS
NY

...a very good beginning to your prayers before the United Nations for justice. You are a fool..but then you`re god`s fool.

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