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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Wednesday, February 11 2004, 17:11:52 (EST)
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...I´m gonna take this a bit at a time...so I don´t get timed out again....


The Nineveh Kid wrote:
>Sure there was kindness, love, goodness, gentleness, humility, peace and non-violence before Christianity, but all of these wonderful attributes were sorely lacking to a far greater extent, B.C., than, A.D.,


...not true at all. Just consider the Romans who were fair and even handed and forebearing with Christians until THEY turned Christian...then THEY killed and killed Christians and everybody else. The cultures of Assyria and Babaylonia and Persia were far and away more civilized...consider that we never had Drawing and Quartering...for one thing...that was a Christian ritual..and I don´t recall ANY mass murder over a god as happened in France in ONE NIGHT when 10,000 Christian men women and children were killed by their fellow Christians...no sir.

and to claim that anything bad or evil that occurred afterward was attributable to the tenet's of Christianity is nothing more than pure speculation on your part.

...since you refuse to discuss the core issue of Christianity..what makes it hum and tick...then I don´t think you should refer to it at all..remember, I WANT to talk about it...you don´t...you take it as a GIVEN and a good one..I sure as hell don´t. Christianity is all about benefitting from the murder of the inncoents..the more pure and innocent the better..and that IS ALL. And it has certainly corrupted and brought more murder into the world than there EVER was before...it ain´t speculation...do the math.

You don’t know how the world would have fared, without Christ’s message.

...Yes I do...far better...but this is silly...it is here and that´s what we have to deal with...since you don´t know what it would have been like in the world without Christ there´s no use in the discussion..EXCEPT...it was the murderous Romans who killed Christ and then took over the religion and THEY made it what it is today..that fact alone, that it would appeal to those mass murderers damns it as a religion...a religion that has nothing to do with Christ or any other gentle being.

Even the facts as you relate them, are not really as clear as you would have us believe. Historians, even the most objective, are probably only 50% accurate in their telling of it. What they relate is not always based on first-hand accounts and much of it has been colored by personal bias, conjecture or embellishment for the purpose of dramatizing events to gain the reader’s attention, while the rest remains hidden for all time.

...you just described the bible perfectly and NONE of those people were historians.
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>If all, Christians, are obsessed with death, they would be a pretty somber, sorry group of people. Personally, I don’t know any Christians like that, but hey, that doesn’t mean one or two of those rare birds doesn’t exist on planet Earth.

...no indeed, Bush smiles when he talks about god and Americans want closure so they can go back and smile. In Iraq...where vpeople are also religious there are a lot of greiving parents...if they survived. Anyone and anything YOU don´t like isn´t Christian to you...can´t work that way.

Some people, like yourself it seems, believe that anyone who claims to be Christian, ipso facto, is a Christian. Claiming it, doesn’t make it so. Some people are just the opposite of what they claim to be. There are, in fact, a considerable number of people running around claiming to be, Joan of Arc, Jesse James, Elvis Presley, Rembrandt, Jesus, even the Almighty Three in One. No one, however, can become a, Christian; there is only one, there can only be one. The best, purely human example, would still be only an approximation. The Christian ideal as exemplified by Jesus is certainly something that people who claim to follow Jesus strive to emulate, but I don’t know of anyone who became Him. Christianity, is, silly if one views Christ as only having a human nature. This is also why anti-Christians don’t understand Him. Of course, if he is, only human, like us, His message wouldn’t make any sense at all. But He wasn’t, merely a prophet; he was, literally, the Son of God. Okay, you don’t believe it, neither did the Jews,

Jesus was a Jew...he was a nice guy...you have the word of five unemployed Jew fishermen 2000 years ago, if they ever lived, that he got up and flew to heaven...like I said, religion makes you incapable of decent conversation..this is your nuttiness and you pawn it off as FACT and then want to "discuss it"...come on.

...talk about conjecture...this is all the usual stuff..we´ve heard it before. You have every right and license to preach here...as I do. But you give me nothing sane or rational or intelligent to discuss...instead you feed us treacle...okay Christians are wonderful..I knew that before...so?


but instead of rejecting that claim, out of hand, have you ever honestly set aside all of your prejudices and examined his life against the backdrop of what He claimed and not what others have said about Him, or your historical perspective?

...let Christians set aside their prejudices and we´ll see...

...there is no "historical" perspective...you know nothing about Jesus...you take the word of people you never knew and don´t even know existed...they are all a Shroud of Turin...you believe because you INSIST on believing...on that basis the world is still flat...if YOU can´t swim.

...to be continued....



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