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I don't understand why in a discussion about Christian Assyrians having dumped Ashur for a variant of Judaism...Islam even comes up. Why exactly all this Christian invective directed against Islam? It still doesn't prove one way or the other that Assyrians could NEVER have converted to Islam. No one is implying, at least I'm not, that Christianity is inherently decent and benign and therfore the only natural place for Assyrians...doesn't matter to me what it is...the point is, whatever it is...the Christian Assyrian claim that dumping their own reliion for this one "meant nothing"...nothing except wonderful things from that day on...is absurd.

We could be arguing about Assyrians choosing to turn to Buddhism as easily, then we'd be treated not to denunciations of the inherent "cruelty" of Buddhism, but to the "impossibility" of Assyrians following any religion so "foreign" to their ways...as if a Jew religion was a natural fit. This "Us vs. Them" thing we get into is again proof that we're all about religion...with one religion condemning the other...while the real issue is why and how and what it means when Assyrians leave their ancestral gods for those of others. As if to prove my point this ass comes on here ranting about the depredations of Islam and the sweet goodness of Christianity and if I point out the manifest and ungodly crimes committed by Christians he'll say those weren't "real" Christians...if you toss the same argument back, that the crimes of Islam weren't committed by "real" Muslims...he feigns a knowing look, a wiser-than-thou attitude as if to imply, "of course, you WOULD say that". The whole thing is an exercise in religious bigotry.

What's the use of pointing out that a Republican governor called a moratorium on executions becaue it became so damn obvious the American Christian legal system kills people on the basis of their color, economic status...and now their religion too? An alarming percentage of those lawyers were asleep in court or had been censured numerous times...Amnesty International has condemned the Christian U.S. roundly and placed it in the same category of every villanous country there is, a decision even this guy would have to agree with.

But what's the point except to carry on these religious fueds? I never said the people turning to Islam were more virtuous or righteous than those turning to Christianity...that's his point...that no Assyrian, all Assyrians being virtuous or potentially so...would dream of joining Islam...but rather his or her "natural virtuousness" would lead them to Christ. Huh? Why wouldn't Assyrian virtue and faith and constancy and loyalty have kept Assyrians believing in their own god? Where this guy gets hanged, as they all do, is when they try to praise themselves as Assyrians...while condemning their ways when they were Assyrians...and then praising themselves again for being Christians...while downplaying the obvious fact that they turned their backs on the essence of being Assyrian...but rather, as they claim, by turning their backs on Ashur and towards Yahwe, they became............MORE Assyrian??? At which point our resident puppy, Andreas, enters the fray and thinks to save the Christian day by insulting Ashur all over the place, denigrating the vast accomplishments of the Assyrians when they followed him, which he too presents as "prooves" that Christianity is the better, the realer religion of the Assyrians..."look how much better off they will be when they get to see Yahwe in person". Come again?

The unspoken assumption these Christians of ours make when they slam Islam all over the place and praise their own Christianity, is that it would be morally, genetically, intellectually, ethnically impossible for any true Assyrian to be a Muslim...and as "prooves" they bring out their litany of crimes committed against Christians to which camp they arbitrarily and without acknowledging for a moment that this is the point in contention: ascribe all Assyrians and say..."How could Assyrians be of a religion that kills ASSYRIANS"? When Islam and Christianity are TWO religions going at each other's throats. If you confound all Assyrians with Christians...or chocolate fudge and then "prove" that Islam hates all chocolate fudge...then maybe, as long as you stick to candy...there could be a point. But once again these guys beg the question...and since begging in general has become their mode of "action"...it sould be no surprise. They start out insisting all Assyrians can only be Christians and wind up saying they just "proved it" by slamming Islam. They steadily refuse to admit that Islam has good solid grievances againt Christians as Christians while they hate Muslims for being Muslims...and that therefor when Islam attacks Christians...some of whom are Assyrian...Islam HATES Assyrians...when there is no reason in the world and never has been for Muslims to hate Assyrians...especially as many of them trace their own roots back to the Assyrians.

It's also instructive to point out that Christian was condemning and killing Christian in BetNahrain...as a result of the East vs. West thing and how many natures does one Jew have etc. at the time the Muslims marched in and forced a truce between these followers of the "Prince Of Peace" and then went on to build the most highly advanced civilzation of its day, gladly learning from and adopting the ways of the ancestors of the people these Christians had already thrown over. There was no milk and honey flowing between the Christians of BetNahrain but acid.

When the Muslim armies under Khalid ibn Walid, the "Sword of Islam" marched into Jerusalem, the Patriarch, who fled, was invited back as an honored guest of the conquering general and toured the city with him...and all Christian and Jew rights were upheld and protected and the city thrown open to all...which is in stark contrast to when the Crusaders came in later and achieved a Christian's notion peace...by slaughtering everyone...all the Muslims... and locked the Jews in their synagoue and burned it to the ground. One of the other times the Crusading Christians set out they ravaged Germany, killing Christians right and left as well as all the Jews they could find till even the pope was ashamed and censured them...then, instead of "liberating" the Holy Land they detoured at Byzantium...attacked their fellow Christians till the streets ran with Christian blood and conquereed IT instead...and once again the pope had to condemn this, at least honest, display of what crusading Christians are all about...marauding gangs of cutthroats hiding behind Christ, which is what they still are...and it's why they "follow" him in the first place...for cover.

What World War did Islam start? What atom bombs did it drop on sleeping women and children...what fire-bombing of any city did they conduct...did Islam have a Lidice to its credit...a Cezch city the Nazi's leveled to the ground after randomly executing its vilagers, including over two hundred young boys, as young as five, they stood against a wall and shot? And these are Christians killing Christians. When did Islam build furnaces to burn people in...make lampshades of their skin and pillows from their hair...when did Islam conduct any sort of cleansing to compare with what the Christian Germans did only sixty years ago? When did Islam engage in as many wars as the Christian Europeans did...one after another till they dragged the world into two wars, spaced far enough apart, barely, to rear another generation of young women and men to take the places of the millions they slaugheterd in the first war...so they could go at it again? When did Islam declare a "policy" of starving "enemy" children to death....denying them medicine so they would be sure to suffer unspeakable agonies before dying...while their parents watched helpless...when did Islam trump up patently absurd charges as an excuse to go to war and rob a nation...when did Islam travel 15,000 miles and cross an ocean to attack any Christian country? (and I hope someone says..."9/11")

Christians can't take a rebuke from other Christians...look what Islam has been enduring for 50 years and more...without declaring one of their famous "jihads". And when finally pushed beyond all human endurance, beyond any point a Christian would have tolerated without killing someone's child...a few fought back at the cost of their own lives...and look how many innocent people were made to suffer for it and still are...where are the lawyers...where's the American legal system for all those in Guantanamo whose names we can't even know...who can't even see their parents or children...who don't know the charges against them because there don't have to be any...who don't know when or if they'll ever get out. And this isn't "backwards and evil" Islam...this is the "Leader of The Free World" who ought to know better, by our own addmission.


Islam is 700 years younger than Christianity. Go back 700 years in Christian history and you'll smell innocent people burning at the stake in Europe or crying out in pain and anguish as their thumbs are riped apart by the Jesuit Spanish Inquisition, the pope's right-hand executioners. But what does this have to do with the central point? How does blasting and censuring and "exposing" Islam add anything to or change anything about Christian Assyrians? Christianity can safely be said to have the same potential for good and bad as any other religion...including Islam. They are both after all offshoots of that murderous Jewish religion that had human blood sacrifice of innocent children and the ripping open of women's bellies as a part of its okey-dokey practices...in the name of Yahwe, don't you now. But so what? If the point is that we Christian Assyrians are the REAL kind...then we got what REAL Christians get...like Christ did...we were led up to an engine of execution and killed there. This is glory? This is ample compensation for having turned away from the silly religion of Ashur? What the fuck are our Christians complaining about...they FOLLOWED JESUS didn't they..isn't that what they wanted to do...wasn't that the whole point? On their own "real" Christians are appetizers and chumps...as our own history has proven. The only way any of them have "survived"...and they WOULD call it survival...is by running into the arms of the "wrong" kinds of Christians...the bloody but open and murderous ones...where they've helped direct more bloodletting while playing the hypocrite's part to perfection..."who US...why we're Christian...we don't kill".

To question the folly or wisdom of Assyrians turning Christian in the first place...as well as their idiotic insistence that Christians and only Christians can be Assyrian today...and as "prooves" to make all sorts of wild claims about the "inherent Evil" of Islam...is the point here...and it only proves the disease of the mind and the poverty of soul Christian Assyrians suffer from when they use these tactics of pitting religion against religion. They make the case AGAINST themselves every time they open their "real" Christians mouths. For the evils or goodness of either religion isn't the point...the point is why and how Assyrians came to deny Ashur and what this has cost us and still is costing us. Censuring one or the other or praising both in no way explains anything of significance. Who cares why you fucked your neighbor's wife or even how...it's that you did it at all people are first struck by.

To say Assyrians can be Muslim as easily as Christian isn't to condemn or whitewash them...but THEY are the ones who believe that by holding up their Christian credentials they not only erase that "shameful" past when we tried to civilize the Jews...to no avail and built half of Western Civilization...but automatically get a carte blanche to engage in any sort of treachery as long as they hide behind some Christian more villainous than they are. The discussion wasn't about the virtues or sins of Islam versus Christianity...screw them both and throw in Judaism as well. The discussion was about what it means when Assyrians throw over their ancestry and Heritage...and go follow somebody, ANYBODY, else. It's the Christian Assyrians who would get us tangled up in religion...which I say again, only makes the point for me. They are ALL about religion and ONLY about religion, a fact that their half-hearted periodic mouthing of paens to Ashurbanipal hardly fools anyone. They are all about variations on Jewish religious themes...caught up in them and between them and riddled by them and shot through with them...and there isn't anything remotely Assyrian about any of it except to try to understand why people who claim to be descended from the ancient Assyrians would ever have done such a thing...especially since they dumped the Assyrian religion...and are glad they did...but would be aghast at the idea of EVER dumping Christ..."what do you think we ARE"?

Well...I THOUGHT you were Assyrians...as you never tire of "talking a lot" about it..however, on closer examination...you're all Jews from Israel...the land you pray to...the land you pay to defend...the land whose "enemies" in BetNahrain you pay to attack and kill...the land and the people who gave you your "lord"...just where in there is there anything Assyrian, except to try to understand why it happened and what it's meant? And never mind our language, which isn't Assyrian anyway but the language of the Arameans and was spoken by Jews and Egyptians as well.



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