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is there anything in the world today MORE irrelevant than Assyrians? Here are som,e of the answers provided by the Volcano to the Water Spout. I like what he calls Aprim...it's close enough to Viagra to prove my point...Diclarations ahoy!Assyrian Forum

Akhoni Miaqra Fred Aprim

Posted By: Ashor Giwargis (213.138.96.26.planetsky.com)
Date: Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 2:34 p.m.

Akhoni Fred,

I want to commentate

+++In public?

on important points you mentioned in your previous post about our organizations in the Diaspora without talking about those in Assyria, knowing that you should start but those in Assyria who are the most important.

+++I don't understand how anyone can confusetiltate this...

It’s really disgusting to see and know where we have arrived through the Diaspora organizations, not only because of the lack of Media as you said, but also in preparing a COMMON national program which could be ready to accomplish since the falling of Saddam.

++++Loike that's ALL that stands in their way!!! If they would only be READY...everything else would fall at their feet.

As for AssyriaSat, I fully agree with you because this channel could do many thing better than the current programs, they could include documentaries in English (For Americans) about the Assyrian villages in Assyria dominated by Kurds, and making analytic programs about the Assyrian cause with American politicians, congressmen, political researchers… or if they want to keep playing music, at least they could put some pictures from the homeland, a sad song with pictures of poor Assyrian Children or a National song

"""There it is folks...let's be pathertic and get some more sympathy. Being pathetic we don't know how disgusted people are with professional miskeeni. Our only program is to remain miserable...get killed for Christ...and hope for the best.

with pictures of Assyria mountains and villages and towns could do a lot with our coming generation… anyway this requires a long explanation.

+++Oh please...don't spare us...

But regarding what you mentioned about the “Unconditional support” to the Assyrian leadership in Iraq, you have mistaken here because no one is obliged to support such people, exactly as you were not obliged to support Arnold Chwarziniger


"""Now THAT is inspired!

in his campaign UNLESS you know what he plans for, very simple!. So people should know first what does that “Assyrian” leadership want, and then they will decide what to do. And this is a wrong behavior (not you personally) when sayings such as “Kullan Hayyirrakh Zawaa” are addressed to the Assyrians.. NOOO!!

+++Realyy, Volcano. To express strong negative feelings it is not necessary to nooo like a cow.

Before Zawaa asks for the help of other organizations let it get trust worthy, and let it join them when they try to get close.. G8- London and Admsterdam conference were the best examples and when you ask Zawaa’s responsible about why Zawaa didn’t attend the Amsterdam conference they will reply by childish answers such as:

1- “We were so busy in preparing more important things in Athra”, as if Mr. Kanna is the only Zawaa member in this world.
2- “Why don’t they make their conference in Baghdad?”, and when asked them “Why do you have representatives in Europe, Americas..” they shut up.
3- “Come on... They are only few people who grouped and established parties, they represent only themselves”... and when asked them “Then why you invited them to the Christian conference of Baghdad?” they say “Because we want union”!!!.

++++agree where can't unless it says here. But all really times over the way while we go under Assyria but only with Zawwa there for good.

Aziza Fred, I read about many libaration movements and I never realized that a party refuses to assemble with its brethren while it assembles with its enemies.

People are not as in 1920s and 1930s anymore to be misled by such people,

+++OH NOOOOOO! We're a LOT smarter now!

you have your own reasons to support them through a special thinking and you are free to support whoever you like… but you can’t ask people to support a specific party when this very party tries to undermine the Assyrian national aspirations in Assyria… no one is asking them to face the Kurds by fighting, but just to make courageous stands at least in the puppets council where Mr.Kanna is a member, I’m talking about the courageous stands against the dirty proposals of Kurds, Chalabi and others.. A simple “NO” from our so-called representative in the IGC is enough even though we know that his “No” is very weak in the face of the Kurds, Islamists and others, but at least he would get the respect of his people in Assyria and abroad,

+++How simple it is to get the respect of Assyria..."Just say NoOOO"!

and he’ll attract the media because media sources today are following up every word said by any IGC responsible, some to prove that Iraq is gong to a civil war (Which is true), and some others to prove the contrary. Or courageous stands by stop helping the Kurds to build “Kurdistan” in the Assyrian homeland where you are asking the Assyrian organizations to go.

+++AS clear as mud.

But even though people are not as in 1920s and 1930s as I said above, we still have poor simple people led by their national emotions for when they see an armed Assyrian they get enthusiast without even knowing against whom that arm is carried, same happened here in Lebanon when Assyrian parties were only puppets of the Lebanese parties.

+++How about puppets of Christianity??? OH NooooooOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

People today are looking to Schools and social help made by AAS (Zawaa) and they are supporting Zawaa because they saw the good side without realizing that these achievements are not expected from a POLITICAL party rather than from a cultural, social or welfare association. Zawaa is trying its best to cover its lack in policy by such works, and its succeeding. Even though AAS is only a cover to Zawaa’s failure but it’s to difficult to stand against this association.. Finally they are helping Assyrian families, which is a good job.

+++Well of course it is. One set of Assyrians blows the roofs off of them and another set puts roofs on...a perfect system.

Why Zawaa use imaginary terms such as “Struggle against the dictator Saddam”? If it is true that they struggled against Saddam with that courage then why they are arguing that they can’t face the Kurds? At least by divorcing the Kurdistan front while keeping the good relations with Kurds.

Zawaa is standing behind the senses against any Assyrian attempt from our Diaspora organizations to get official support from some governments and their rushing representatives in some countries are making fool of themselves by some statements whenever another party meets with officials in the same country.

+++Plenty of people are making fools of themselves without a clue.

Zawaa signed months ago a common press release with some Kurdish parties being a member in the “Kurdistan” front along with them, the press release was asking for the rights of the “Kurdistani” people, it’s important to remind you here that Zawaa until know rejects any union with any Assyrian party unless the hopeless ones who are looking for a “Mukhtar” chair in the so-called “Kurdsitan” and other flip/flopping parties who failed to do something through decades… I don’t know how you ask people to help a “Kurdistani” party!!

+++These two really think they're discussing something important. They're cute. Signing press releases..now THERE's a tough thing to do.

And today Zawaa is sharing in another “Kurdistani” proposal to be proposed on the IGC as stated a “Kaka”, and Zawaa is one of those who are preparing that paper for the “Confederalism” in Iraq (not “Federalism” this time) and Kurdistan this time will be including Nohadra, Arbil, Sulaimaniyya, and Dyala. I didn’t know wither Zawaa agreed on this or not yet, but I will not be surprised if they do.

+++Kaka? Can WeeWee be far behind?

They should be ashamed of themselves, enough is enough!

+++Not with you brother...ther's never an end with you.

PS: this reply was only for the term "Unconditional Support" used by Akhona Fred, not to ask people to not support Zawaa, but to ask them to support Zawaa "CONDITIONALLY" even though I know that Zawaa don't buy the national opinion of the Assyrians abroad by 2 cents, but it was just necessary to make such a reply to clarify my personal thought.

+++Is THAT what you were trying to do???

Ashor Giwargis.

+++Go vent.



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