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read this and see if you don`t understand what the problem is. For Christians who try to pass themselves off as Assyrians when there isn`t a shred of evidence for it anywhere...and they can produce no PROOVES, to turn around and tell others that THEY are wrong because the FACTS speak for themselves...like they speak!...is like the kettle calling the pot an Assyrian because it`s a cracked pot...makes no sense in ALL of them...

Here is why you are wrong

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Beth Suryoyo Assyrian (Othuroyo) Forum


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Written by Ben on 26 Mar 2004 15:52:43:

As an answer to: Hanna are you fascist!? written by Suryoyo on 26 Mar 2004 11:17:12:

Suryoyo:

The relaity is the name Suryoyo when applied to Assyrians it means Assyrian.

...what reality? Who gave you the keys to reality. Is Ashur the same as Yahwe..in reality? is it realistic to believe people dropped their millenia old cultures and religions and went hiding in mud huts to be inspired by a lone Jew? Is it realistic to call yourselves the ONLY descendants of non-Christians (the Assyrians) because you are Christian? Is that a PROOVE to you?


We don't know what it means when applied to the Syriac speaking people other than Assyrians. Since we know that the Syriac language thank to the Assyrian empire became a lingua Franka it means other nationalities such as the hittites, The Assyrians, The Jews, the cannanites, the christian Egyptions, later the christians of India aslo spoke it . THe only way to separate a Syriac speaking nationality from another is to separate them according to their homeland. For example most of the Assryians lived in Mesopotamia, Most of the Hittites, Cannanites and Arameans lived in Syria west of Euphrates, most of the Christian Egyptions lived in Egypt the Indians lived in India. Your claim that anyone who speaks an Aramaic based language is Aramean is absurd and self defeating. By that logic the Arameans who speak the Arabic language are Arabs.

...and anyone claiming that any Muslim anywhere in BetNahrain MUST be an Arab and should go back to HIS country of origin would be just as wrong...or you Christians would have to go to YOUR country of Israel, where your religion came from...it was never indigenous to BetNahrain...in fact today you boys do a lot more to help Judo/Christianity, even to protecting Israel and praying to Jerusalem and Bethlehem, than you do for Bet Nahrain...why don`t you all leave?

The fact is we did not start these arguments. Your brethrens who call themselves Arameans contrary to the historic facts want to call anyon who speaks the Syriac language Aramean are responsible for usch conflicts.


...there are no historic facts to back any of you up, just hysteria. They call the language Aramaic...well it is isn`t it? So naturally they decided to be Arameans...why not? You found yourselves in mud huts atop ancient Assyrian ruins and decided to call yourselves Assyrians...there is no Assyrian language..not spoken today...it is Aramaic...remember, the one YOUR lord spoke.

If there are racist in this matter are those who come to this Assyrian site and claim that Assryians do not exist. According to your logic the Egyption christians are not Egyption, the Indian christians are not Indians and so fort.

..no no...not at all. Christians can prove they exist...it isn`t difficult..they just SAY they are and TALK A LOT about it...doesn`t matter how they act...they just are because they say they are...no one asks anything further of them...why would they lie about it?

...That`s not the same as claiming to be Assyrian...especially when you make a point of NOT following Ashur...as you`d hardly be believed if you said you are Christian but are very glad you no longer follow Christ. makes no sesne...you boys are forever trying to play sleight of hand with your minds and, you hope, with ours. Being a religion isn`t the same as being an ethnicity...and since none of us can prove our ethnic status when all we have is a language not even called Assyrian...all that`s left is to BEHAVE the part of Assyrians and since Assyrians were NEVER Christian...ergo, being Christian is ipsi pipsi PROOVE that you can`t possibly be Assyrian...believing in Ashur wouldn`t even prove it but it would be a good start. Stop meaning Assyrian when you are living breathing and thinking Christian.

If you call yourself Suryoyo and interpret it as what ever you want and do not come here to argue that it means something other than Assyrian

...but it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean...aren`t you boys doing whatever you feel like doing and calling it Assyrian? Like just now..in this post of yours?


no one will come to your house and force you to change your mind. So it is you who starts these arguments and not us. By stating that Suryoyo does not mean Assyrian even when it does you are the one who is denying us our Assyrian identity.

...a forum is not a house...an open marketplace isn`t a house either...a forum is an open marketplace where no one tries to change anything or force anything..that`s what you boys do...a forum is an open market where you can SEE and SAMPLE a variety of things if you WANT TO. You boys have set up a hardware store that sells only nails and wonder why people are left hungry when they come looking for cheese.

Frankly I am amazed at lack of common sense by those who claim to be Arameans.


..I know what you mean...it amazes me that you`ve gotten away with the claim of being Assyrian this long...especially when your biggest PROVES is that you no longer follow Ashur..but a Jew instead.

What exactly do you guys think you will accomplish by these stupid arguments.

..the very question I put to you boys several times.

If you are an Aramean why not just call yourself an Aramean and be done with it .

...xactly...and should you decide you want to be French..well hells bells man, just CALL yourself French. What IS the problem here?


Why do you have to play games by changing the meaning of the words to your liking. It is like saying I don't like the word love to mean love, instead it should mean hate or I don't want snow to be called white instead it should be equated with Black. The only thing this tactic accomplishes is to make intelligent communication impossible.

..or how about "I don`t like being an Arab Christian and since I call all Muslims anywhere Arabs...and get stuck myself with that term...how about I call myself Assyrian...gives me more class...no?"

If you guys are the descendant of Cyrus (Qurush) call yourself Cyrusoyo or Qurushoyo and stop playing the game of changing the meaning of the names or identifying yourself with other terms. If you are not stop caliming otherwise .

...by that logic you`d be called an Ass.


Isn't it stupid to claim you are Aramean but call yourself Suryoyo which in reality means Assyrian?

...sort of like being A Christian from Syria and calling yourself Assyrian??? No??

Even a blind man can see that there is no resemblance between Aramean and Suryoyo.

...I don`t think you quite expressed what you might have been thinking.


What does calling yourslef by a name which does not describe your nationality accomplish other than continuing the confusion to the next generation?

...you have to have a nation...a physical one, in order to have nationality..and you all do. Just as soon as you get the papers you are all American or Swedish etc...though in your dicheads you believe you remain the nation of Assyria. Till you change nationalities..which you are all eager to do...you are Christians from various Muslim nations...no more and no less.

...The nation of Assyria exists in your head...nowhere in actuality...therefore you cannot be a nationality...am I speaking too fast...?


If you are Aramean proudly call yourself Aramean and no one will dissagree with you. Stop blaming others for your own confusion of the facts!

...I am Assyrian, not Christian...I am BetNahranian and I am indeed proud...I wish all you unindigenous people with your indigestible FACTS would go back to the countries your gods hail from...leave Betnahrain to its own gods.

Ben



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