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The Reality which unfortunately is ignored by our Intellectuals!

...how about the reality that we HAVE no intellectuals...just assholes?

Posted By: Ashuraya (adsl-68-23-36-89.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)
Date: Monday, 3 May 2004, at 1:12 a.m.

The Assyrian Nation's Fate and Fiction
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It has been little over twenty five years ago when I perceived that the fate of our Assyrian nation is unfortunately in the hands of the narrow minded and backward bigotry people that after a lengthy study of our critical situation to have a vision which we will have if there is any chance or hope to revive our ASSYRIAN NATIONALISM that we should stick with the reality and chaine of history events that shaped the Middle East in general and Mesopotamia/ AssyrioBabylonia in particular, and from there it is very essential to embark with the new ideas or more precisely with a New Assyrian Doctrine that will be more in concert with our ancestors who built one of the greatest empires in the Middle East.

...no, there is no chance at all of such a thing happening...you can`t revive the Roman Empire either..and the British Empire is gone too...so is the Greek, Persian and Arab...history moves on.

It is a crystal clear that two events in the course of history of the Middle East that changed our disteny and they are:

...everything is crystal clear to you.

> The Christian religion which emerged from Palestine which won the hearts and minds of the Middle Eastern region in less than two hundred year period, where the vast population of the Fertile Cresecnt accepted Christianity to name , the Assyrians, Arameans, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Canaanites and Eblaites.

...it wasn`t Palestine..it was Judea...they were Jews...your Assyrians converted to Judaism, and it never fit...in fact, they never willingly converted at all but were forced into it like everyone else has EVER been by the Romans first and then by the people they forced.

> The Islam incursion or the whirl wind of Arabia after little over six hundred years swept the area and took over in a very short time for two reasons:

...Islam saved the Assyrian spirit...islam respected the achievements and civilization of BetNahrain and incorporated much of it into their own culture...we defeated Islam...and joined it to us. It was Christianity that was spreading the fires of ignorance and intolerance and murder as god`s work over the face of Europe...Islam saved classical learning and gave it scope and an expanded field to grow in.

a) The aged empires of Persia and Rome.

b) The division and rift among the Christians of the area.

...they weren`t aged...certainly not the Eastern Empire which went on for 1200 years after discovering how to benefit from Christianity...and it was the Byzantines the Arabs defeated..who were hell bent on defeating them. In fact the Arabs, with Assyrian might and manpower and resources swept all who stood in their way and would have done so no matter the age of Rome..it wasn`t Rome that stood in their path or Persepolis..it was Constantinople.

All these facilitated the new invaders to control not the Middle East only but far beyond in an amazing speed which one of western scholars put it the change ' is one of the great failures of Christianity that they would like to forget ' .

...Christianity has plenty of failures...but the success of Islam is not one of them. Islam`s success is Islam`s success.

The Fate and Future of the Nations of the Fertile
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Cresecent after the Arab Islamic Invasion:
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In a very short period of time the Christians due to the harsh treatment and oppression by the new invaders the vast majority of the population was not Islamized only but it was Arabized too.

...bullshit. The Muslims found Christians at each other`s throats, Iraq having been used a s dumping ground for heresies by the Byzantines..it was Islam that parted them and forced a truce so Baghdad could be built and go on to become THE city of the Medeival Age...you don`t do that by opressing people..you achieve that by liberating people FOR REAL. If what you say is true the Arabs would have built mud huts or gone to live in Christian mud hut villages..they didn`t. They took what the Christians didn`t want...Assyrian and babylonian science and engineering and architecture and ceramic design and weapons manufacturing and medicine and Learning and Art and Culture and they won the hearts and minds of the people of BetNahrain who were relived to get off their knees where their churches kept them..and go on to create another..yet another, glorious empire that spread the cultures of BetNahrain to Europe and then the New World.

...the Arabs were BetNahrainized...not the other way around. You`re just pissed because more of us chose Islam, that`s all.

We learn from history that in the 11th century A.D. if not before all the inhabitants of the Fertile Crescent except Assyria Proper- North of Mesopotamia- were Arabized and majority of them were Islamized.

...no they were not. The Arabs were won over by OUR culture and we in turn preferred their far more manly and active religion which gave scope for what we remembered of the old days..whereas this down on your knees from morning till night stuff was about as close to Hebrew nonsense and as far from Ashurbanipal as one could imagine...we were GLAD to be Liberated by Muhammad. It has been far worse to have been Judaized than Islamized. The seat of the Islamic world came to rest in Baghdada...not Medina...the Arabs were Assyrianized and Islam was a far better religion and fit that neo-Judaism ever was.

The ONLY people who resisted vigoroursly to a degree were the Assyrians , and even the Assyrians with their stiff resistance lost the main Assyrian cities to be Arabized and Islamized in the 14-15 Century A.D. to name, Samara, Tikrit, Hadetha, Kirkuk and Nineveh.

...more bullshit. These are all Syriac Manuscript "history" lessons.

The Assyrians could stand tall by thanking God that they not preserved their Christian religion only but their MOST IMPORTANT which is their ASSYRIANISM , without any attachements , pure Assyrian name.

...utter and pure crap.

Here I will quote two western scholars , Patricia Crone and Michael Cook from their book' HAGARISM' page 57 and 58 this is what they said about our Assyrian nation: " there were thus two distinct versions of Christianity within the Nestorian church : on one hand the local church of Assyria, a chauvinist assertion of a provincial identity; and on the other the metropolitan church of Persia with its centre in Babylonia..

Thus the history of Karkha de-Bet Selokh( Kirkuk) begins with the Assyrian kings and ends with the Assyrians martyrs; SARGON founded it and the martyrs made it a blessed field for Christianity . Likewise in the seven before Christ all the stood in awe of Sardana, and in the seven century after Christ the SAINTS took his place as the ' sun of Athor' and the ' glory of Nineveh'.

...fuck you and your martyrs.

From the above introduction we learn that our Assyrian nation preserved their Assyrian Nationality in the northern parts of Mesopotamia or Assyria Proper in the Assyrian triangle which starts from Nineveh to Urmea to Edessa( Urfa) and back to Nineveh up to the early last centry.

...no they didn`t. They huddled in fear and ignorance in their mud huts while the rest of the Assyrians embraced Islam and exploded onto ther world dtage as they had before...NO WHERE in Assyrian did Assyrians run in fear and hide in fear and LIVE to die martyred...in every proud instance we know of they behaved JUST like the noble and magnificent and magnanimous Muslims...that is why they were called by real historians the "Gentlemen of the Mideaval Age" ...while your fucking Christians made of themselves the footstool and asswipes of that same period.

In any event and after reviewing these history events, we will come to a conclusion that these two religion movements were the causes of our national demise.

...more crap. Things happen...history marches on...you either adapt to it and triumph, as Muslim Assyrians did..or you place your hopes on the sky and Jews and their Messiah..as you Christians did.

The Christian religion in spite of its peaceful mission, unfortunately the hatred which was creted by the religious leaders was the reason for our division and weakness untill now, not to see our people belong to the two major denominations, Nistorians and Jacobites only , but the split in later centuries increased to see our people to convert to Roman Catholics under new names which are created by the Roman Pope , for example, the Chaldeans and the Syrian Cathoilics plus other western denominations.

...when once you turn...what`s to stop you from spinning madly?

It is a crystal clear that the remaining Christian pockets of Syria, Palestins and Lebanon were pioneers of Arabism , while the Assyrian with their Christian denominations to name the Nestorians, Jacobites, Catholics and other western denominations were DEVOTED Assyrians.

....devoted Jews do not turn away from Yahwe...devoted Assyrians do not turn away from Ashur, devoted Christians would NEVER turn away from Christ...you Christians are DEVOTED Christians..there isn`t a goddamned thing that`s Assyrian about you, including your smarmy and sleazy efforts to steal the name and heritage to hide your Christian arses behind.

So, the Assyrian movement grew very rapidly among the intellectual Christians no matter what denomination they belong.

...name one...name one who wasn`t GRAT because he was a Christian. These people are NOT intellectuals..they are clever and adept at mind games and verbal tricks..and you...being all descendants of those mud hut villages are as easily impressed by travelling salemen with their miracle cures as any village idiots are.

It was over 26 years ago ( 1977 ) when I wrote the first Assyrian Memorandum in the Arabic language which was called , 'The Assyrian Revolutionary Concept or Al-Thawra Al-Ashureya Al-Fekreya' knowing at the time that our Assyrian Nationalism was endangered by the mass Exodus and Migration that no hope with the remaining to revive our Assyrian homleland , in short such memorandum calls our people to utilize the Arabic speaking people of Iraq to know their roots of origin and try through them to promote Assyrianism.

...more bullshit, when your ONE defining characteristic for identifying an "Assyrian" is that he or she MUST be Christian...and CANNOT have been Islamisized but MUST be Christinazized...you`re fooling no one. In order to be acceptable to YOU...anyone wanting to be Assyrian has to become a Jew...ridiculous...that`s crystal clear.

Frankly speaking since that time I knew that we are going to face these rifts in our people , a people who are driven by the religion begotry which overwhelmingly is stronger than our NATIONALISM, and in oreder to acheive their goals they will stick with anything that promote their goals to a point even to creat a new Nationalism as some of them are doing under the so-called Chaldeans or the Arameans/ Syriacs.

.....there is no "Nationalism" when that nation must be exclusively of one religion..in the modern era that silly notion died out long ago..it stays alive in your ditzy brain because you think you found a clever way to "expose" the insincerity of Arabized Assyrians when they REFUSE to become Jews too...so they can be REAL Christians like you...who then claims that to be a REAL Assyrians you MUST forsake Ashur,..but NEVER for Muhammad, which would be wrong and Arabacizizediddleed...but instead MUST embrace the Hebrew Messiah..for that way TRUE Assyrianism lies...are YOU one of these intellectuals? You sound just like one.

Truely speaking, these people don't give damn for the Chaldeans or Arameans of antiquity , but to keep their division live and well. Just emagine if we ASSYRIAN people for somehow try to promote Chaldeanism or Arameanizm, be assured these people will emerge as Assyrians without any doubt.
Any observer reads what these people promote or call which will be summarized as their hatred to our Assyrian nation as if we are their enemy, while unfortunately they apeace their real enemy who made them speak the Arabic language.

...and there it is..the hub and nubbin of all this intellectual nonsense...you MUST be Christian but ONE kind of Christian to be ANY kind of Assyrian...when Assyrians were NEVER Christians and only became so under force and have led a degraded existence since then which has to be turned somehow into the greatest period of ASSYRIANISM ever...huh?

I personaly, since then - 1977- I knew the mentality of majority of the so-called Chaldeans and Syriacs , and saw the only alternative to curb these people intentions and in order to stringthen our Assyrian nation , where we should have good NUMBERS which we are not having today for that reason I introduced the new concept.

...it`s an old trick..that`s all. You think you`re going to fool Muslims with it?

The Assyrian Revolutionary Concept was presented in the tenth A.U.A. conference which was held in london, England ( August 1977 ) but unfortunately without positive results.

...what a surprise.

I personally, didn't declare to form on these new ideas a political party, where I could as long as my IDEAS and thoughts are not redundant as other Assyrian political parties where they are different in the name only.
After 12 years since I issued my memorandum and when the Iraqi government announced that they are going to permit the Iraqi people to establish political parties, I saw it is a good opportunity to take advantage of it, knowing any parties outside of our country is mer a name of the game only. So, withen a short time I presented a draft for an Assyrian political party under the name , The Assyrian Progressive Nationalist Party (A.N.P.N.) for that purpose I visited Iraq twice to explore the idea , unfortunately due to the U.S./U.N. sanction regime which was imposed on Iraq we couldn't acheive our goals fearing as the Iraqi officials indicated to us that in such situation may open the door for outside powers to interfere in the Iraqi affairs.

...really??? And the entire basis of this "political" Front was to be Christianty??? That was how you were going tell who was a "true" and "sincere" Assyrian? Run along with you...Muslim Assyrians can see what you`re up a mile away...your grand idea was yet another end run for Christ posing yet again as a POLITICAL PARTY.

In any event, it was a good experience and a boost of moral toward our Assyrian people that we paid respect by visiting them while other Assyrian Organizations were distancing themselves.

...I`m sure they`ll never forget that visit. By the way...which "Assyrian" people did you visit? I thought so.

It is a good reminder to note that the Intellectual ranks of our people under the BA'ATH regime with their various denomination issued a declaration in 1973 that they are Assyrians , and such declaration was sent to us at the time , as an Assyrian Star Magazin Editor( A.A.N.F. Publication) I published it with an Assyrian language translation, in December 1973 Assyrian Star issue, and it was reprinted again last years in three languages, Assyrian, Arabic and English.

As an Assyrian activist I see it very important to stick with the Assyrian name, without any attachments

...you are a Christian promoter who feels comfortable with Christian Assyrians and uncomfortable with our Assyrian brothers and sisters because they are Muslim...which YOu decided means they can`t be Assyrian nay longer..of COURSE you make a big deal of a name..all you people do is TALK.

, by doing that we are not ignoring or denying the Chaldeans or the Arameans of antiquity, who are still alive and well , the Arabic speaking people of southern Iraq who are the Babylonians and Chaldeans, and the Arabic speaking of Central Syria who are the Arameans, but the inhabitants of Assyria Proper/ North of Mesopotamia are ASSYRIANS, ethnically, historically and geographically.

...bullshit. Even back then they were freely mixing it up, intermarryiong all over the place..they didn`t have ther quaint prejudices and intolerance you all learned from the Jews...there was no pure anything back then...far less today...run along.

It is very sad and painful that an Assyrian organization as the Assyrian Democratic Organization/ ADO with the other Assyrian political parties or even some indivisuals who spent most of their life to defend our Assyrian nationalism to submit to this ADO organization for their own design to invent a name that never EXISTED in our history and in Assyria Proper, and such name is not a tool to serve our nation but to destroy it. If these people were very smart to save our nation by such INVENTED name , why they didn't came up with it a long time ? This name is not going to serve our Assyrian nation, but to serve those opportunests to save their positions as those clergy of the Chaldeans and Syriacs denominations are sticking with their religion names in order to save their positions.

...and you are merely an opportunist of a different color who wishes to use the name "Assyrian" to glorify your denomination and tribe..you people are ALL doing what you dondemn each other for..you claim the Chaldo Assyrians want to DESTROY this nation, as you callit..you claim all sorts of people are out to DESTROY your silly ass nation when no one GIVES A SHIT...and whatever denominational jealousies you people still carry around are doing an excellent job of destroying you all by yourselves..no one HAS to destroy..you`re all destroyed a long time ago and you are NONE of you Assyrians..."because" of this Jew religion you adhere to like dried shit.

A laughable exuse is that by doing this way will increase our NUMBER, our numbers no matter what we do as long as we CONFINE ourselves in religious slogans we are loosers and we will remain loosers as long as we don't free ourselves from the begotry and fanaticism .

...then learn to accept your Muslims brothers and sisters and stop telling them they have to be Christians to be REAL Assyrians. Assyria is alive and trying to be well...under a new name..like you went from Assyrian to Christian...it`s what you DO and not what you DICLARE that makes you what you are..and the Muslims of Iraq..the Assyrian Muslims of Iraq have been the ones working the land and fighting for it now..while you Christians have been backing the other Christians who are attacking Iraq...where is there anything but a name and empty claims and two visits that makes any kind of "Assyrian" out of you?

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The new invented name by the ADO and few others is a divider and not uniter, the only name which will unite us is the one which is made in Assyria and not in ROME or in BRITAIN- SYRIAC - by the British historin Arnold J. Toynbee.

...the only thing that will unite you is when names and religions stop being all you live for and actions take over. The people of Iraq, of WHATEVER religion..are the only descendants of the ancient people of BetNahrain...end of your story.

Keep in mind, the new INVENTED name will give us a lot of problems that the Q...s outsiders will take advantage of it, by dividing us then to claim ASSYRIA to be Q...stan as long as the north becoming CHALDEA , unless the earth is upside down, tha NINEVEH in the south and Chaldea is in the north.

...you are the upside down one...all people steal land and then legitimize the theft..same thing our ancestors did. If we lost the vigor..those who turned Christian and went to praying to Jerusalem and waiting on a Jew messiah...then those who HAVE what it takes...take over. It`s the oldest story known..there is no "injustice" in Kurds,,,who are all wandering Assyrians anyway, taking over where Christians fled or were forced out..none at all...any intellectual understands the laws by which new Peoples come and go..same as happened when the Assyrians first showed up there. You are barking up a volcano.

Finall note:

You people and especially the Assyrian Democratic Movement/ADO and whoever agree and support you in the name issue are responsible not for the destrution of our nation by your new name invention only but by supporting the Q...s to claim our land, to be known as Q....an, the history don't miss events and the Assyrian nation never forget or forgive your crime that you cann't hide.

...there is no crime..there is nothing to remember or forget...the days of empire are long gone..and thanks to this Christian religion of yours all Christians are as unwelcome as hell in BetNahrain..you brought this on yourselves by siding with the Christians every chance you got...when it was the Christians who were making life hell for all Iraqis and many others in the MidEast...your religion has made YOU unwelcome in BetNahrain...and you can blame your religion for that...not the Kurds, who are Muslims and through all their trials and travails with other Muslims never went hiding in fear to mud villages waiting on a Jew to come give them hope..they stayed right in plain view..they fought and fought for what they wanted while YOU all ran to Christian countries because being Christian is THE most important thing to you...what do safe and sound Christian Assyrians newly arrived in America and Europe do? Do they build some DEAR Assyrian thing? No. They build churches where they can FINALLY worship in peace...which is all their "Assyrianism" has been for centuries...and who do they worship? A Jew. You tell me how "Assyrian" that makes anybody.

LONG LIVE ASSYRIA / VIVA ASSYRIA and Down with the new name and the EVIL ENCLAVE Q.....tan.

...they feel the same about you....that you and your religion is EVIL. This is the way to continue tearing apart the region...that`s all.

Ashur Beth-Shlimon
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