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..can you believe this? These guys are putting questions to Islam...they feel they`re in some kind of morally upright postion where they can take Islam to task!!! I mean it`s mind-boggling..here they have a Christian nation starving to death Muslim children and THEY want some clarification of ISLAM`s VALUES? One can imagine the questions Islam would like to ask Christianity.... [ Post Response ] [ Read Prev Msg ] [ Read Next Msg ] FOUR QUESTIONS TO ASK ISLAMIC REGIMES: ...here`s just one for Christian Regimes...who appointed you the judge, jury and executioner in the world? Posted By: R G (cache-ntc-ac08.proxy.aol.com) Date: Sunday, 19 September 2004, at 7:30 p.m. 1. The question of Jihad. What is Islam going to do about the potential to rely on terrorism from the Quran since it does teach that the active pursuit of non-Muslims, especially Christians and Jews, with the intent to harm and even kill is acceptable? Note the following verses: ..it says no such thing...it explicitly says they are NOT to be harmed...that doesn`t cover Christian SOLDIERS and mercenaries...and what about all the exhortations not to kill in YOUR Christianity? Even though it is at odds with all the calls to murder and bloodshed in the same bible..what about YOUR Jihads..what do you call the murder of six million Jews? An error? Quran 9:5, known as "the verse of the sword," declares, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem." ..there you go again..either you are terribly ignorant or another liar for Jesus...to Islam, Jews and Christians are NOT the "pagans"...or "infidels"...they are the "People of the Book"...fellow believers in Abraham and Moses and Jesus..all of whom are respected in Islam..you are LIARS supreme..and these lies of yours are going to be taken out on innocent Christians in Iraq who have been able to co-exist in peace with their Muslims brothers and sisters till YOU came bringing Christian soldiers to kill them all. Quran 3:85 states, "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost." ...that is nothing more than your jew book`s forcing yahwe on everyone on pain of death...once again..this is refering to NON-Christians and Jews, who were NOT Pagans and Infidels to Muslims. Quran 66:9 and 9:73 declare, "O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm against them." ...Jesus thrashed people who were trying to earn a living in the Temple...going about their business as they had for centuries..big deal...Romans butchered heretic Christians and killed ALL the Jews they could lay their hands on in the East...so? Quran 5:33 states, "Those that make war against Allah and his apostle and spread disorders in the land shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the country." ...and what do you suppose Christian armies did when made war on? What did this Christian nation do to 500,000 Muslim children? Quran 8:68 states, "It is not for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made wide slaughter in the land." ...so what..you Christians can`t get enough of killing..you brought the world TWO World Wars... Though early in his career, Muhammad recited verses that were kind to non-Muslims (e.g., Quran 2:62; 2:256), later in his life, his language changed. His last words commanding harm to non-Muslims are said to abrogate those verses commanding kindness (see below on the quranic doctrine of abrogation of verses). It is said that non-Muslims will be forgiven only if they turn to Islam and practice Islamic religious duties. No matter how Muslims try to explain away the above verses, terrorists use them so that to them the end justifies the means. ...Check Christian Extremists and Fundamentalists..go back in your own history and see what you people did to heretics during the 1000 years of the Dark Ages...revisit the Reformation when Europe ran with blood as Christian killed CHRISTIAN...not PAGAN...not MUSLIM..but other Christians...where did you get that bit of Christian mercy from? ...Muhammad was responding to the Eastern empire`s attempts to conquer Arabia...he was referring to those Christians who came murdering and raping in God`s name...these were not peacefull villagers doing their devotionals..they were bloody mercenaries and marrauding cutthroats, hiding behind Jesus..as they still are. It is verses like these that form the basis for one of the fundamental tenets of Islam: Jihad. Accordingly, Islam's ultimate goal is to enforce worldwide submission to the Quran at whatever cost. ..bullshit..that is Christianity`s goal...YOU are the ones making wars all over the world...including in Muslim lands now with a free hand too for fifty years and more. YOU are the ones who went on Jihad against Jews..and now are at it again..starting with Muslim children. And you don`t know the meaning of the word Jihad..it means far more than the bloody Christian twist you give it. What we label as terrorists is simply a group of people who obey the Quran. ...Fuck you...jackass. Keep it up...this should make Christians in Iraq REAL secure...but you WANT them "put to use"..you people WANT them martyred... Yet, what makes things more complicated is that Muslims in the world today are either ignorant of the teachings of the Quran, or they hide it (for more on Jihad, please see the article "Don't Hit the Snooze Button" by Barbara Richmond on www.foryourglory.org. Also see the feature story "One Nation Under Different Gods?" By Janet Chismar, editor of Religion Today, September 19, 2001). ..lookit this jackass....Muslims DON`T know their own religion! General Boykin anyone? 2. The question of reciprocity. Why is it that Muslims are allowed to establish mosques and Islamic centers in the western world, when the same privilege is not granted to Christians in many Muslim countries? For example, there is not one single church in Saudi Arabia. Christians there gather either in embassies or associated cultural centers or military bases. In contrast, in the US, there are 3,500 mosques, and growing at the rate of 4 to 5 a week! ..because we are a secular society, unlike the Wahabi`s...you would LOVE to make us a religious Sharia Christian country..and you people have TRIED to shut mosques out and keep them from spreading their religion..and you would if you COULD..but our glorious Constitution stops you cold..and it is THAT you hate..you HATE the very system you SEEM to be praising..what you really lust for is a Christian SAUDI America..go on admit it..wouldn`t you LOVE to have blasphemy a crime again? Come on..admit it. Wherever Islam spread it has closed the doors behind it. No wonder that today the Middle East and North Africa, the home of the early church, is a most needy mission field. ...Fuck your missionareis and their postion..you are merely the front men and women for economic repression... 3. The question of democracy. Why is there no democracy in the Arab world that insures with action, not simply words, basic human rights? ..why is there less of it in America? On the one hand, and contrary to what Islamic leaders declare to the West, the voice of Arab Christians and other non-Muslim groups are not heard, and they are persecuted and not given rights on equal par with Muslims. ..these are your usual lies...Black Americans were denied their chance to speak and no one cared to repair the damage done in Florida..what about years of slavery here..and Jim Crow..what about the growing disenfranchisement of American citizens..why do you meddle elsewhere when America is falling apart? On the other hand, searching Muslims themselves are not allowed to question or criticize their religion but are locked in it, with the threat of severe persecution and death for leaving the Muslim faith. Muslims who have converted to Christianity remain hidden out of fear. Today there is not one single visible church of Muslim converts in the entire Arab Muslim countries. This lack of true democracy has resulted in the absence of any common ground for dialogue or constructive cooperation between Muslims and non-Muslims in facing political, social, economic, and religious challenges. ..that is not any kind of democracy...there`s another word you don`t know the meaning of..it simply means majority rule by the citizenry..for years democracy in America denied EVERYTHING to American citizens of color...just 60 years ago it denied human and legal rights to Americans of Japanes ancestry...this is what comes of giving degrees in "theology". 4. The question of truth. According to the quranic doctrine of abrogation, God is supposed to have made Muhammad forget some verses and then replaced them by others. ..according to your bible incest is fine. Quran 17:86 declares, "If it were Our will We could take away that which We have sent thee by inspiration: then wouldst thou find none to plead thy affair in that matter as against Us." Thus it is said that the responsibility for verses being erased from Muhammad's memory lies on God Himself. ..."it is said" won`t do..you are hardly unbiased...in fact, you are another Liar for the Lord. Quran 13:39 adds, "Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth." According to this well known doctrine in Islam, when God replaces a verse, the latter version is a better and improved one, and may even contain opposite instructions. ..better than blotting out whole towns and their populations...including children..there are more contradictions in your bible than you can shake a stick at..mind your own religion. Quran 2:106 says, "None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?" Furthermore, man is not to allow this teaching of abrogation to cast doubt upon the reliability of Muhammad. ...wow. Quran 16:101 declares, "When we substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say, 'Thou [Muhammad] art but a forger': but most of them understood not." Thus, authentication for the truth of Muhammad's claims is not required, and does not extend beyond the alleged claim to a miraculous poetic style. ...what a bunch of crap...like this justified murdering Muslim children...and illegal wars. This doctrine of abrogation has extended so far as to dismiss all previous revelation, vis-a-vis the Bible. Thus the Quran has re-written biblical history with stories and accounts that contradict the Bible. ..now you know how it feels when we see our Assyrian heritage bastardized by Jews and Christians...like it? To deal with the contradiction between the Bible and the Quran, Muslims throughout history have claimed that the Jews and Christians have corrupted their Bible so that the original Bible no longer exists. No matter what evidence for the truth and reliability of the Bible is provided, ..there isn`t a shred of proof and what truth are you talking about? For centuries to even ask a question got you killed..or "abbrogated" with your presence being replaced by your absence. Muslims refuse to face the possibility of the truth of the present Bible as we know it. This has resulted in the general deep lack of commitment for seeking truth or for seeing the value of truth ...fuck you and your arrogant truths...Muhammad said you boys got it wrong..and he was sent a message clearing it up...and at its peak Islam showed you people up all OVER the place. Had it not been for Islam..your church would have spread its byzantine dark ages to BetNahrain..where they would have KILLED you people...it is your good fortune that the more tolerant Muslims..who could give a shit for the three Jesus Christs into one...divided by Mary...they PROTECTED you and allowed you to continue on the same divisive and stupid paths you were on...which have come all the way down to bedevil us today. Islam SAVED the various branches of Christianity from the homogenizing and murderous Romans with their Imperial Truths that got so many Christians killed...but only for so long...during the Reformation and then the Restoration you people killed and killed and killed each other over ONE god. Do you deny Islam the right to have conflicts BETWEEN gods? ..jacks a my ass. --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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