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...this is too much...too sick, too wonderful...read this and see what we`re been talking about...while they would never allow this to be even implied about anyone else..it`s their way of allowing Tglath to be personally smeared and insulted..I wouldn`t be surprised if Hanna put him up to it..I tell you what though..Hanna has a father and mother..and either he removes this NOW or as he says himself...those who deal in shit shouldn`t be surprised when their own hits the fan...how would Hanna like Mr Hajjar described as a pederast...a cocksucker. How many of us have been upset by what Hanna has done..yet which of us has called his father such names Beware Hanna...the filth you allow and rationalize may hit you in your mother`s cunt real soon.

Tiglath raised a POLITICAL, historical issue...and presented facts his father witnessed first hand and saw in a different way..thatªs a far cry from calling your father a sodomizing son of a whore and your mother a cunt...for which, if he HAD done so, you could justify allowing others, yourself included, to retaliate against..except we all know youªd remove that post in a minute and come on all holy about how you wonªt allow such things on your forum..you cocksucking, pig fucking piece of Christian shit...but thank you too...we couldnªt have asked for more...and everyone whoªs worth a damn to us knows who Tiglath is and what heªs done and what you are and what you do...tatoo ARTIST indeed...you belong in an alley behind three garbage cans...watch out for YOUR father and say YOU asked for it.

Re: HANNA, GET RID OF THIS MESSAGE PLEASE

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Written by Hanna Hajjar on 15 Jul 2004 00:18:00:

As an answer to: HANNA, GET RID OF THIS MESSAGE PLEASE written by Paul Younan on 14 Jul 2004 19:43:51:

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Dear Paul,

First of all, and for the record: the guy who posted under a similar name “Tiglath” talking about the wife of Simko is an imposter. at least this clears the true Tiglath/David from that crap in that post.

As to the previous post by Muhsin, I appreciate your request, but I don’t find any grounds why I should delete his post.

...do you regularly allow refernces to sodomizing corpses on your forum?

I can’t tell people what to say, but I can set rules as to what not to say.

..and those rules have warned people not to say things such as this about PARENTS and children..of whom you have both..would you feel this way if I put your fatherªs name and address on here and tell them if they would have good anal sex they should look him up...are you crazy?

...you have children, you ass...do you REALLY want to take this to such a low level?

However if I have to gag this guy Muhsin because he said something that upset you, I also need to place a gag on what Tiglath has been saying too, because he has been posting some outlandish things that other Assyrians don’t agree with and see as offensive to them too.

..the "outlandish" things he posted are no more so than the ridiculous things the rest of you post..there are disagreements in Congress and even fist fights but NO ONE condones attacking a manªs father who is dead and not here to defend himself...but keep it up..you expose yourself AND bury yourself with every line.

I need to be even handed, which I am trying my best to do. I will leave it to the Webmaster to take care of this issue as he sees fit. The way I look at it is: if Muhsin’s post is to be deleted, then some of Tiglath’s post will face the same treatment too, nothing personal,

...bullshit...you son of a whore...Tiglath called no one names..he merely presented another eye=witness account of events his father experienced..he was careful to NOT call any names...and you know DAMN well, you son of a cocksucking father, that had he posted such a thing about anyone, including this Mushin jerk youªd have banned him in no time.

it is all about treating all people even handedly. The ball is in Tiglath’s court! He can rebut Muhsin, or request that Muhsin be deleted, but also accept the fact that we use the same set of rules on him too.

...Iªll show you for the next year how it feels to have to "rebut" people who are smearing your deceased father on the internet.

The reason I came to this decision is that this Muhsin guy didn’t say anything other than what Tiglath (A.K.A. David) had admitted to.

...Tiglath never addmitted his father sodomized anyone and you know that..we said you were merely Christian apologists hiding behind our name and you prove it.

Tiglath in his own words called his father a traitor, or at least agreed with his cousin on that.

..itªs THEIR family business..just because you tell me you have a father that doesn×t mean I can expose him as a Fag...he merely said what his cousin SAID his father said...and for this you are smearing all of them. This is exactly what your agenda has been..to drive away with insults anyone willing to fight the lies you put out as "truths" in the pay of your fucking church...

So Muhsin was reiterating what Tiglath said by calling him “Son of a Traitor”. If Tiglath has no problem in accepting such a statement, what is your problem?

...we all know thatªs not the issue and even you aren"t that stupid so quit trying to be cute...we all call each other traitors and all sorts of names...but we draw the line at calling each otherªs dead parents names...you know what weªre talking about..itªs the sodomizing refernece you canªt admit to..thatªs what you WANT up there...as a warning shot to others who would dare speak out and challenge your lies.

And Paul is supposed to get to Tiglath and prevail upon not to have his fatherªs name dragged through your mud..itªs to be made TIGLATHªS fault that you are a son of bitch who would stoop to such tactics for Jesus. The warning is clear...raise these issues in this way and Iªll have someone call your father names..and YOU are an Assyrian?

My job as a moderator is to strike a balance by allowing all sides to present their point off views, through allowing free speech,

..it is not a "point of view" when you call someoneªs dead father a sodomist who killed and raped corpses based solely on your say so..for such an outlandish thing to be said which, if it were true about ANYBODY else, youªd remove in a flash....a person would have to at lEAST pretend to have evidence and present it. Tiglath took his life in his hands by courageously addmitting something his father had deep doubts about...it cost this other jackass and you too NOTHING to post your nonsense...it isnªt free speech at all...as you would say quickly enough in any other instance such as this..that no one has any protection anywhere from slandering our dead parents...watch, youªll see.

and of course there will be some positive and some negative posts, but that is where the reader should use his brains and common sense to filter what is right from what is wrong. I don’t have the time to go through every post to filter it, nor do I need to spoon feed the viewers; they have brains, let them use it.

..no one asked you to filter anything, though you seem to have plenty of time these days...we all asked you once to let readers judge for themselves when there was no question of vulgarity and you have banned people left and right for far less than this...There is nothing to "deicde for oneself" when someone makes such an outrageous statement intended only to hurt someone and scare them away..there is nothing to "ponder" or wonder about...clearly these things are false and intended only to hurt someone..as such they hardly fit into the "point of view" category..because Tiglath tells ONE version..an eyewitness account no less which if it went your way youªd be applauding, of an incident that is certainly open to various points of view..you come back and say that to say these disgusting things about his father..whom you all supposedly admired just ten minutes ago, is ALSO a "point of view"...well, youªll see.

Tiglath through his idealistic or theoretical mentality is helping the other side more than he is helping Assyrians. Now in a perfect democratic society, where the grounds are level, all are treated equally, all sides go by the same set of rules and standards, it might work, but in a society which doesn’t have that, Tiglath's approach will back fire at him and at Assyrians.

...man oh man are you asking for it.

As to the alleged atrocities that were committed by Tiglat’s father that Muhsin mentioned; on one hand if it is true then it was very gross and disgusting, on the other hand, if it is false information, then Muhsin had let his imagination go wild by exaggerating, extrapolating and manipulating the facts to serve his own political agenda. However, it is no different than what Tiglath has been doing so far. Frankly speaking, it was Tiglath who put himself into that situation.

..you son of a bitch...Tiglath has done Assyrians everywhere SUCH a service...and so have you. THIS is what you would do in any triangle no fool is ever going to give you..this is what you do to each other and were when the Muslims came between you and restored peace to BetNahrain and made us great again.

I believe that Tiglath had exaggerated what took place in Simko’s village in retaliation of the Patriarch assassination, and similarly Muhsin had exaggerated what took place in 1933. As you see it was Tiglath who opened the can of worms, and now you want me to close it by silencing the others? It doesn’t work that way!

...you÷ll see how it÷s going to work.

If you are to believe what Tiglath said, then what Muhsin said would sound as reasonable as what Tiglath said,

..keep it up..and remember it well.

and you need to accept that too, because sick people who would kill women and children have the potential to sodomise, rape, torture and mutilate their captives too. On the other hand if you reject what Muhsin said, then you would reject what Tiglath had said too! It is a Catch-22, and it is not your issue it is Tiglath's issue to deal with catch-22. He has to take a pick, but the sad thing is that he had placed himself in a bad situation, where he is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

...fuck you and your mother some more...you know you would allow this sort of thing to be said of NO one else...raisng an issue that upsets your pet political OR religious beliefs is in no way the same as insulting a dead parent of someone you canªt argue the issues with..it is a cheap cowards trick and weªre not surprised in the least that youªd do it...in fact, thank you.

Maybe Tiglath is very kind hearted an naïve, and doesn’t realize that the this forum is open to everyone worldwide, although it is an Assyrian forum, yet it is visited by other ethnicities, some love us, and some hate us, and just as Tiglath is trying to put a spin to certain incidents to make the Kurds look good, there are others who are putting a spins to incidents to make him and the Kurds look bad. It could be an Arab, a Turk, an Iranian, or an Armenian, since all of these peoples don't like the Kurds.

..yes but itªs YOU this time.

Furthermore, let me assure you that our forum is being monitored by many groups. And Tiglath should be aware of that, more diplomatic and watch what he says. We don’t live in a Utopia, we are not on a level ground, and Tiglath having lived in Australia should have first hand knowledge on how a Boomerang functions, if he throws one, it will come back at him, and if he is not careful, it might hit and injur him.

...remember your boomerang.

Tiglath should realize that there are Assyrians who have different religious believes than his, he should not start blowing those bridges by insulting their belief system; he should treat them with respect, because if he doesn’t, then the feelings will be mutual. As to the Kurds, no matter what Tiglath does to please them, and even if he went all the way to bend over for them, he will always remain a Nukhraye to them and will never be treated as equal. Mind you that if he tries to please the Kurds, he will be automatically pissing off the Arabs, Turks, Turkomen, Iranians as well as the majority of Assyrians. It is a very delicate balance that he needs to strike.

...is it true your mother sodomized your father and thatªs how you were born? Iªll find her name and address and your fathers and what cemetary they are in if theyªre dead because "you upset me" and by your logic I can do anything to upset you..this is why youªre being kicked out of the MidEast..you are savages.

I think that Tiglath is an intelligent person, and a very proud Assyrian, but he is very idealistic person who is living in a Cyber Utopia state of mind, he thinks that the mentality of the people in Iraq is similar that of the people in Australia, but that is not the true. In Iraq, it is an ethnic, tribal, and religious society, that is where the loyalty of the people goes, and Tiglath needs to add this factor into his equation so that he can get come up with a ratiuonal understanding of the situation. Tiglath has some nice ideas, but those need to be addressed when the Iraqi society reaches a much higher level of civilization.

..like youªve reached?

What I recommend is that certain hot topics to be discussed privately before making them public, so that they don’t blow up in our faces! There are many fans running and blowing in different directions, and the least we can do is not to place some $hit around, because then the $hit will hit the fan, adn you all know what that means.

...you think this comment about Tiglathªs father is really a topic for private converstion..you think the posters intention was to have a rational discussion about it? Do you think he would email Tiglath with these concerns he has about Tiglathªs father for a constructive dialogue and then publish the facts on a forum..is that what you think? This is the punishment you mete out to people who tell the truth...but we can play the game as well...and BETTER. Let×s ALL go to hell together...and rid the planet of all of us..then our Assyrian brothers and sisters can live in peace.

Moderator,

Hanna Hajjar

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