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Here He Goes again...
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Saturday, September 4 2004, 1:36:35 (CEST)
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Dean wrote:
>You parhad are the one deviating from general historical knowledge about Armenians embracing Meshikha.

...you`ve provided no historical knowledge at all...and we see that...even though you said you had scads of encyclopedias...where are they? What is the accepted historical knowledge? To simply say LOOK AT THEM...proves they ARE Christians now...who the hell ever argued that? What we don`t know is how they became Christian in the first place..of course their church SAYS they leapt joyously into Jesus...but that is propaganda...it isn`t historical evidence at all...

That’s why you parhad must provide the evidence.

...we each have to provide some evidence to back up our claims...I never claimed I knew WHICH army did what or when...I only said that given the church`s dismal history and lacking any EVIDENCE, not their word for it..but any EVIDENCE, I was concluding that they did the same they usually did..murder people into Jesus...

...YOU are the one claiming you have evidence and proof and historical all kinds of things in several enclyclopedias and every time you are asked to produce them..you say I have to prove what YOU claim..come on...try harder.


Otherwise your statements amount to nothing more than unfounded conspiracy theories.

...not at all...my statements that the Church more than likely murdered all Armenians who opposed them is backed up by evidence in every instance where we KNOW what they did...YOU are making a baseless assertion that in Armenia, at LEAST, they didn`t do such a thing.,...you are the one flying in the face of the known facts of how your church spread Christianity...you are the one obligated to show some proof..or make a reasoned assumption that they acted contrary to their normal practises.and you can`t and so you repeat ad infinitum and I stay right there with you..asking you for your proof...I gave mine..and I never said I knew exactly what happened in Armenia..and unless you produce those encyclopedias YOU said proved your case..you ain`t got nuthin...but a silly and feeble determination to make a fool of yourself for your Lord figuring he won`t know the difference and reward you anyway...
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>So, what .... millions of Armenians have waited centuries for you, parhad the Persian, to tell them their own history. You've got to be kidding!

..if you know their histroty..meaning the story of how they came to be Christians..each and every one..why don`t YOU provide it...you said you had proof...you said you had enclyclopedias..I`m just asking you to produce them..I`m calling your bluff...remember, I never said I knew..I said I SURMZED based on the copious evidence of what your church did to people to make them Christian..if you know differently or have a GUESS..put it out here..if you know any Armenians ask them..if you know your church history..tell us...if you have encyclopedias..show them to us--otherwise what the fuck are you talking about? I`m willing to entertain YOUR best guess...what is it?
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>GO BACK TO SCHOOL!

...bring us the encyclopedia you got from your school...tell us...we`re dying to know...or give some PROOF that my guess simply CANNOT be the truth in this case...since you can`t seem to provide..among all these words ONE shred of evidence OR put forth your best guess...I did...how come you can`t?
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>-Dean
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>parhad wrote:
>>Dean wrote:
>>>Parhad,
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>>>You need to be specific.
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>>..you need to put out some information...your encyclopedic facts to begin with..it isn`t enough to take shots at my guess and the case I make for it..where`s your own...or have you nothing to offer?
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>> Firstly, you originally made the claim, so you (not I) need to provide the proof.
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>>...get your own material..my claim was never based on any proof at all...not for Armenia...my conjecture was based on the proof we have as to how your church killed people into Christ...you know all of this already..you just have nothing to offer yourself..never mind proof, which you claimed to have already but mysteriously won`t shut me up by providing any..your entire strategy in this and your other nonsense is to show I might be mistaken...so give us your facts and make your point alright already...sheesh...talk about being dum AND Prowd too!
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>> I am simply challenging you to support your position.
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>>...I did...since my positon is based on YOUR Church history...admitting as I did from the beginning that neither you nor I have any proof about the particular case in question...Armenia..then I was making a fair assumption that they did the usual...I`m done backing my claim up...never said there was proof about Armenia....YOU are the one saying there is proof about Armnenia converting willingly...so why won`t you give your proof of YOUR claim?
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>> If you can’t support it, you should drop it.
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>>...I did support it...on numerous occasions..all you`ve done is reveal your tricks, vulgairty and how dense ytou can be..and we`re suppsoed take pride in THIS kind of idiotic faith...that says it has encyclopedias of proof but won`t produce ONE LINE?
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>> Let’s review because I am not going to allow you to spin this topic all over the place so you can wiggle out of it.
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>>..get your own material..steal from Paul, at least it`s once removed.
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>>>You said effectively that no people willingly trashed their own culture for Jesus.
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>>..that`s right.
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>>>I said "What about Armenians"?
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>>..that`s right
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>>>You said the church forced and killed them until only those who submitted survived the onslaught.
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>>...No I didn`t...YOU said they all accepted it willingly and when I asked YOU for proof of such an outrageous claim, that flies in the face of all we know of their tactics..you said I should PROVE the^y USED force. I`m not the one who made a definitive statement..you are..therefore YOU need to back your claim..and though you`ve mentioned mountains of encyclopedias have producced not a line from them...why?
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>>I was able to back up what I said and gave evidence from your church`s own KNOW actions..I addmitted all along that I have no way of knowing what happened in Armenia...but based on what we knew it was a fair assumption they did the same..an ASSUMPTION based on the ample record of what we know they did elsewhere...if you are going to say you KNOW it didn`t happen that way...YOU have made the definitive statement...as an Absolute...where is any proof on your part OR...any conjecture or fairy tales or anything at all...besides the fact that all Armenians are Christians today...so are almost Blacks in America..the question is HOW did the Armenians come to all be Christian...I gave an idea based on your church`s factual history...you refuse to accept their record and instead state they did the unheard of, for them, in Armenia...yet even though you claim to have factual evidence you refuse to present any OR take a guess...about usual for god-people.
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>>>So here we are, the ball is in your court. Here are the questions again. Either you have answers or your don’t.
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>>``ìt was always in my court and each time I hit into yours it lays there waiting...I`ve only got so many balls...I`m waiting for you to have any.
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>>>1) Which army invaded Armenia and forced its citizens to convert? When?
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>>..I never said any army invaded Armenia that I KNOW OF, the specifics I mean...I said your church invaded everywhere ELSE in the world where we see Christianity today...that this has been their pattern..from that I made an educated GUESS about all those Armenians converted and what happened to those who didn`t..you are the one who says you have historical encyclopedias proving your contention that Armenians were NOT forced to Jesus...if you did you`d have produced them by now and stopped me cold..since you can`t we have to assume you`re lying..about the post you left your name off so you could say I did it..the same one Paul said there was an easy way to check the authorship of and when I agreed and asked that he play fair as well...refused to follow through AGAIN...I`m not the one with difficluty telling the truth..I never said any specific army that I KNOW of attacked Aremenia..I said it is MORE than likely given what the church and the army backing it did EVERY other time.
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>>>2) What was the name of the church that forced Armenians to convert? When?
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>>...I have no idea and it makes no difference to my point..I`m saying a CHRISTIAN religion of some kind, you pick...must have been forced on the Armenians as well as on all the people we KNOW it was forced on...the Force used is well attested to elsewhere..you don`t bother to deny that...that`s all I said..if YOU have proof that it wasn`t the case in Armenia...YOU provide it...not me...my point is made and you haven`t addressed the substance of it...just tried to get me to own up to something I never said , as a dodge and a way to avoid providing the proof you said you have...in encyclopedias..where is it?
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>>>-Dean
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