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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Friday, July 16 2004, 22:20:49 (CEST) from - Windows XP - Internet Explorer Website: Website title:

Relgion and Nationalism -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beth Suryoyo Assyrian (Othuroyo) Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Written by Ben on 16 Jul 2004 21:08:47: In recent centuries in the west religion has been divorced from nationalism ibut it was not always the case. Nationalism is a fairly modern concept. Even Europeans instead of Frenchmen, Germans or Briton considered themselves as Catholic Christians during the medieval times ...before the Protestant Reformation..before Luther nailed his protests on the cathedral door in the 16th Century, there were no Catholics..just Christians. The Medeival Age had eneded by the time of the Refromation...and only later did the term Catholic opo up...just as there were no Christians during the lifetime of Christ..just Jews..and none for over 100 years after..well after theat putz of an Abgar converted us all to Judaism and not Christianioty as some of you still maintain...but go on. . Citizens swore allegiance to the feudal barons which they were subjects of the Monarch, not nations. (Louis L. Snyder, “Encyclopedia of Nationalism” Paragon House New york p. XV) This changed when state bureaucracies imposed direct control over the entire land. From then on social, political unity, linguistic identity combined with geography emerged as the most acceptable basis for self-identification. ...no it didn`t...in lands where Islam and Christianity lived across from each other..as even in a Europe torn by religious wars where father hated son though they shared everything else BUT slight religious variations we`d laugh at today but which were cause for the most grizly crimes committed by people of ONE family living in ONE Nation with ONE Geography, ONE nationality, ONE system of political beliefs in ONE society with ONE identity...that father killed son and dauhter over RELIGIOUS nicities too silly to credit today...and that`s ANMONG CVhristians..the same was even more so where the different religions fronted on each other...but go on.... In the Middle East Arabs although outnumbered the Turks had no problem being ruled by the. for almost 800 years simply because they were Moslems and their Sultan was considered to be the Kaliph or related to prophet Mohammed although he was not Arab. ...that`s an outright lie..the Arabs ALWAYS resented foreign rule..are you crazy? They just weren`t able to do anything about it till mthe Europeans wanted those oil fields badly enough to PAY them to fight their Turkish overlords.... As late as 18th century religion seem to have play an important role in the United Kingdom. ‘The Settlement Act of 1701 allowed the German princes of the House of Hannover to rule the nation from 1715 to 1815. George I did not even speak a word of English. Because of anti German sentiments during world war one the name of the dynasty was changed to Windsor. ...good for you...but it happened earlier as well when William of Orange was brought over to wed princess Mary so the English could remain Protestant and DIVIDED by religion. Christianity has been and will continue to be an important part of Assyrian identity if we want to survive as a distinct people. ..no it is not. Christianity is a religion..not an ethnicity...furthermore it mis a JERWIWSH religion nwith a Jewish Mesiah who was intended to dsave the Jews...and whom Assyrians never needed any saving from..not till the Romans forced us into Christ...we were Assyrians at a time when religion WAS the core and center of a People..even though we accepted many many gods and gave them free space within our emoire..we knew ALWAYS that we are the people of ASHUR..as it says in our names...for you to maintian that you can be Assyrian and Christian at the same time means you pay homage to TWO gods...and while Ashur allowed it..your Yahwe of a Jew will NOT..he said himself. "I am a jealous god"..that doesn`t mean he was the only one..it means he knew there were others but he wanted to be th big gun to his OWN people...how the hell do you come off imposing him on us ...and how do you get off keeping the name of Ashur in "Ashur-ians" when you no longer believe or trust in him? Your god is Christ...you are CHRIST-ians...go follow him and stop using our god`s name for your Front. Those who want to take christianity out of being Assyrian look at the western nations as a modle but they fail to realize that sovereign nations can discard religion and encourage intermarrying with other ethnically heterogenous people without losing their nationality. ..our people were intermarrying since the beginning of time...that`s how we were ablke toi build and maintain such an empire and use the combined talents of ALL those people and anyone else, even Hebrews, who came to us or we took and benefitted...we are still intrermarrying..ask Jassim...only now the CHURCH will damn us to hell for doing so..that is Hebrew bullshit you picked up when you turned Jew...it was never the Assyrian way...we are here we are of BOTH religion and we are of none..and ALL the people who love BetNahrain are fighting to defend it now and ONLY you Christians are fighting to destroy it..for the sake of your Jew god. What you mean is that you Christians...have manged to stay Christian, by only marrying Christians..and you impose this incestuous behavior on the rest of us, or try to..and it`s produced just the sorts of idiots and half-wits you get any time you intermarry in one village for 200 years. This Christianity of yoursd and what you`re willing to do in the pay and service of your masters has cost us and is costring us DEARLY...whether you were Christian or no, it still cost us 27,000 Christiajn Assyrians...but if you were ASSYRIAN Assyrian , then you`d be crying for 500,000 murdered Assyrian children..instead of TWO...and just because those two were killed by Muslims...while 27,000 of YOUR Assyrians who are of YOUR religion...remain unwept for because YOUR religion killed them and you don`t want to embarrass it..never mind your own dead Christian children, murdered by YOUR masters...or their greiving parents you also ignore. This is not the way to save anybody. Such can not be the case for the Assyrians who have nothing left to specifically identify their nationality except for the combination of their language and religion. ...the Assyrian Religion is practiced by none of you any longer..the very thing you`re saying NOW makes an Assyrian and saved an Assyrian...is not EVEN an Assyrian religion..it is a Jew knock-off. Your nationality is whatever nation that exists NOW came from...Palestinians born in Palestine when it WAS Palestine are now of Israeli nationality..because the country changed name and ownership...happens all the timer...you are no nation because you insist your Jew religion makes you REAL Assyrians who therefore should be given a part of the modern nation of Iraq...when any Assyrian nation AS a nation...one that can hand out "nationality" as it is understood TODAY and by SANE people...ceased to exist millenia ago...this is merely a land grab orchestrated by your church in order to save the face of a Jew..no matter HOW many of our children gte killed for it...Muslim AND Christian. If we remove the religion form the equation they have only the language left to distinguishes them form other nationalities. ...the language back then was spoken by everyone..Hebrews and Egyptians..you can speak French, it doesn`t make ytou a French national..the language is Aramaic and you are not even that. Any nationality can learn any other nation`s language..that doesn`t change their nationality..it is a LANGUAGE...just as adopting Islam doesn`t make you a national of ARABia..any more than adopting Christianity as you did makes you an ISRAELI because the religion came from there. ...I think you want to be "Assyrian" the easy way...for the religion you were BORN in and a language you learned as a baby...and want to have to do NOTHING after that to "distinguish" you from other nations..you want easy ride to the top by grabbing onto the Assyrian Heritage...and we`re here to tell you that it takes much much more. But as soon as we take away christianity from them they are doomed because thier language will no longer be needed for prayer and other religious use. ..Latin was taken away from the English, French, Germans, Dutch and Americans and they remained nationals all the same. The language is spoken by less and less people...do they stop being Assyrian for that? The language is alive and well and contained in books and discs and is in no danger of disappearing anywhere...there is much more to being an Assyrian in the modern era than what you learned as a baby in a village. The sovereign nations have their education system, communication media, constant interaction in the neighborhood and business and other institutions to perpetuate its use. As a scattered people we have no such luck. ...it isn`t luck. The Jews weren`t "lucky"...unless it was some of the WORST luck in history ever! It takes hard work...and that`s something none of you understand..you want an easy ride to some imagined "top" and you`re doing more than anyone..more than any Arab or Turk or Kurd ever did to make sure we lose all our brightest ones the woreld over so YOU can stay in a village in your head 600 years ago where being Assyrian was such a breeze...all you had to do was be Christian..and that made you Assyrian...go along with you...you`re being thrown out of our homelands because of this silly religious fixation of yours... Assyrians have survived only because of their christianity. ..it isn`t saving them from being killed by Christians…even as the betray their own people because they trust Christians…Assyrians are alive and well in Iraq…they`re just of a religion you don`t recognize as valid for Assyrians..because they DO and you talk. I doubt if the ancient Assyrians TALKED about it as much as you Christians do, as if by talking a lot you`re going to fool anyone..our ancestors also DID a lot about it…which you`ve NEVER done. Their language has survived only because it was necessary part of their religion. ..then keep it and keep your Christian religion…and leave the rest of us in Iraq alone..stop working for and cheering on Christian nations to attack us in the name of your religion and because of your religion…even going so far as to see nothing and say nothing when they not only betray us but kill 27,000 of our CHRISTIAN children…to your silent cheers. If we take the religion and the language away from them there will be nothing left to stop them from extinction …take your Christian armies out of Iraq and the Assyrians there will have a chance…Iraq has been bombed back to a Stone Age thanks to your Christianity…what are you talking about? Leave Iraq alone…concentrate your efforts on those Christian countries where you`re free to do whatever you want to with your balls, your language and your religion…you have made yoursdelves unwelcome in Iraq to say the least..not as Assyrians or even Christians..but for the skunks YOU are. . Those who advocate the abandonment of our Christianity are in fact condemning us to extinction. There`s an Assyrian Monument in San Francisco, like we used to install in Assyria…and of an Assyrian king famous the world over…and it will remain there as long as America is a nation…there could have been others too but they were stopped by Christians such as yourselves who want us to stay meek and abject and the objects of pity..because you think that`s your best shot, that and getting us killed in Iraq, to get you a triangle…a Christian enclave that wouldn`t s tand a chance for a minute…. Removal of religion as a barrier between us and the Moslems will result in wholesale intermarriage with them. …we did already…, we always intermarried…that changes nothing…you`re worried about your RELIGION losing ground…you care nothing for our Assyrian Heritage. In reality those who advocate the removal of christianity from our identity in the Middle East in fact are dooming our people to extinction. …well you used that word often enough.,..it seems 27,000 Christian Assyrian children and all the children and granbdchildren they could have produced..who were BROUGHT to extinction, bothered you not at all…you`ve never expressed the slightest remorse about their extinction..instead you worry about a language becoming extinct…which is preserved in books everywhere and anyone can learn anytime they feel like it..including your children who could care less…and you`re more concerned for the loss your religion might suffer and that churches will go extinct in BetNahrain..than you are about those extinguished Assyrian Children`s lives. You are ONLY a religious sect of many religious sects that plgue the MidEast and frankly I see only good coming from your religion being extinguished right out of thet¡re on its ass so we can go back to building and recovering the magnificent Assyrian Heritage that was such a treasured part of Iraq`s leagacy and ancestry..up to AND imcluding the glorious Golden Age of Islam when Assyrians converted to Islam and used their skilles and refinement and courage and skills to incorporate the vigorous new religion the Arabs brought withthem..a gift to BetNahrain so we could get off our knees and get on a horse again and take the light of BetNahrain round the world…we`re tired…but we`re still fighting and working and building…take your language and your religion and go to Turlock…and play Bingo…Iraqis have serious work to do. --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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