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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Sunday, June 27 2004, 21:35:20 (CEST)
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It`s impossible that the boys don`t know that in internaional Law possession is what constitutes a legitimate claim to land...that all land is stolen land and that no one ever gave or even thought about giving lands "back". If not they would have presented examples and there are none. It isn`t expected..it isn`t done and it never was for then everyone`s title to the land they`re on would be open to question and demandses and the rest. Okay, the HAVE to know that..but I say again the point isn`t to get anything back..they know already they wont. The point to all of this is to justify in their minds the murder they wish to bring down on the heads of those who displaced them..merely for the thrill of revenge, that`s all.

so here goes...

When and how Kurds began to settle in northern Iraq.

...you might as well write a book entitled, "When and How The Europeans Began to Settle in North America". And based on that, DEMANDSES that the land be given back. I mean come ON! You can`t use that as an argument to kill settlers in America with...and this is after only two centuries or so...do the boys think this centuries old fact...even if it was out and out theft as the Europeans stole North America AND South America..that you could stand up anywhere and cheer when natives kill "Americans"???

...are we supposed to feel good now if Kurds get killed? What do these prooves of theirs have to do with the facts on the ground? No matter HOW land is stolen..if you can hold onto it, it becomes YOURS! Period!!!

Written by Ben on 27 Jun 2004 20:33:04:

Kurds are complaining that Saddam brought Arabs to Kirkuk to change its ethnic composition. They demand that these Arabs should leave so that Kurds could claim Kirkuk as entirely theirs. They can be accused of unfair practices like Saddam to displace Assyrians of the region.

...everyone in the world can be accused and found GUILTY of being unfair...REALLY!!! The Assyrians themselves moved people around...where`s the big deal???

E.R. Soane in his book, " To Mesopotamia and Kurdistan in Disguise" published in early 1900

NINETEEN FUCKING HUNDRED??? Couldn`t you at least have found a book from NINETEEN FUCKING THIRTY TWO???

This E.R Soane is no doubt another Christian aplogist who laments the Holy Land being in Muslim hands...you boys always rely on the very people the rest of us suspect the most,..your fellow travellers and bosses.

in describing how the Assyrian population of Solaimania was forced into Islam and ethnic cleansed

..there`s no such thing as ethnic cleansed..this is jingoism..it`s religious hatred.

writes that Kurdish Ibrahim Pasha through influence with Turks gained the Chieftanship of Sulaimania and Qaradagh. Evidently his plan was to bring Kurds to settle there but Kurds according to Soane
"are not good settlers, and the population of the new town began to form of the various classes of people who habitually followed trade. These are, in these regions, Turkoman of Kirkuk, Jews and Christian --As-syrian and Chaldean, mainly the latter. It is said that out of a thousand houses constituting the town in 1825, eight hundred were occupied by Christian, Jews and Turkomans." p.185

...and in all the continent of North America, the houses were occupied by millions of native Americans..and it helped them not at all either.

He continues:

"The Sheikhs at the same time exercising their power for evil and fanaticism, made life so difficult for Christians and Jews

...whoa there...evil and fanatic? You mean the church right? This is pious bullshit....more Syriac manuscript hysteria passing for history...get us a real book.

that a large number each year deserted their own faith to escape persecution, adopting after conversion the dress and speech of the local Kurds.

..how do you think the Romans "converted" all the people the captured and enslaved? By being sweet and kind to them???

From this very mixed material a people has sprung whose ancestors were the children of races widely different in sentiment and nature, mixtures of Aryan, Semitic and Turkish stock, that possesses almost every one of the unpleasant qualities of each race, and a very lively fanaticism that has--under the inflammatory action of the shaikhs--never weakened, gaining for Sulaimania a name for the ignorant and savage isolation that has now brought about its own ruin." p. 186

...this is so clearly the racist tripe that was rife back then..the White Man`s Burden...where`s Gunga Din when you need a tall one? I mean REALLY!!!

About Kirkuk of early 1900 Soane states it has mixed population of 15,000 consisting of Assyrians whom he calls Chaldeans, Turkoman, Arab and Kurds but he does not consider it as Krudistan since he writes t is near Kurdistan. Besides the Turkomans and other Mohammadans he write there is a large number of Chaldeans [ Assyrians of the Chaldean church ] and As-Syrian Christians [not belonging to the Chaldean Church] and few Armenians who are from Diarbeker or Armenia employed by the government. p. 123 Population of Kirkuk being a collection of various races he writes enjoys considerable freedom from fanaticism except for "the Kurds who are the only difficult section of the population with their contempt for rule and order.." A mile or two outside the city "Arabs and Kurds roam at will defying all." p.124

...that has been the case in that region for millennia...when the Sumerians were there in settled cities and the Semites Of Sargon The Great came to conquer and setle and mix and who were once "unruly and roamed at will"...so?

About Mosul Soane writes the language of the place is Arabic but Turkish is understood as is Kurdish for Kurdistan is not far away and the wild characters one meets sometimes in the bazaars tell of the proximity of the tribes. This clearly indicates that Kurds did not live in the city in large numbers. and the city was not considered as part of Kurdistan. He writes that Mosul is famous for its leather craft, its cigarette -paper manufacturing, it s carpenters and masons- "and it is due to the Christians.... whatever commercial importance it possesses is due to their efforts, and their efforts alone." p.93

...sure, of course.

Despite their wild and oppressive character of the Kurds Soane admired them and attributed their behavior due to the fact that they live isolated in the mountains and that they were no worst than the British of 600 years before. He wrote:
before them, slaying-Christians and Musulman alike, resisting all efforts by princes and powers to subdue or even coerce them." p. 367

...sounds like the Christian Crusades to me.

When Soane speaks of south Kurdistan he usually mean Kermanshah and other regions in Persia and not northern Iraq. The center of Kurdish population in the mountains was in Harkari and when the Turks took control of the region before world war one Kurds began their descend to northern Iraq. Even the Barzani tribes were living in the mountians of Kurdistan before world war one.

..I don`t understand what the point is. What do you say to someone today who describes the "wild and frantic" way in which the Puritans sailed to America...their betrayal and murder of the Natives..the theft of their lands...the forced conversion of the people to Christ..the supression of their native religions, the forbidding the use of their own languages...forcibly taking their children from th
...well that`s refreshing but has to be taken with the same ton of salt as the rest of his stuff.

"Within recent years they have probably never came before the eye of the British public except in their traditional character of the rapacious and furious fiends, fanatic figures of savagery pouring out from impregnable mountains and carrying desolation em to be raised in Christians schools...away from their parents and tribes and people and customs..and after you list all those atrocities committed by Christians..not to mention the murder murder and murder of women and children and animals...all to conclude WHERE?

..Is there an office the rest of us need to know about where you take these sorts of complaints? because if there is there are a lot more people standing in line in front of the boys.

This is not an "injustice". No more than being born looking like Jassim...it`s just the way things are on earth. The history of Humanity is one of constant movement and re-settling...hordes of people came..push out those ahead of them, settled... and were soon pushed on in their turn. Does this form the basis of a COMPLAINT anywhere? To whom? For what? If you steal the land..and you can hold onto the land..just as the Assyrians amassed their empire...then the land belongs to you as much as it ever belonged to the people before.

This is a red herring..this demanding their lands back...they use it as the justification for that National Strategy Hanna outlines and others have been prowd to fess up to..that if they can`t "get back" their land..they are completely justified in begging anyone to go kill the Kurds and whomever else they accuse of the "crime". Only they can`t prove anything...but want the people dead anyway because they hate Islam...so they go on and on about their rights being denied them...and it`s all because of their churches who put this idea in their heads in the first place.

The boys want to WRECK Betnahrain...but they`re willing to appear "reasonable" so they presernt their outrageous demands for their "rights" to be restored to them..knowing full well they won`t get anything...but AFTER that...their grimey consciences can feel clean and satisfied when Muslims get starved to death and murdered by Christians..."we gave them their chance", the boys will piously claim..."but they wouldn`t do the right thing...so, what can they expect"?

It`s such a shabby bit of nonsense...no wonder they tie their entire "existence" to it. Look at the rest of cheap crap the boys are content to represnt "Assyria" with. Look at the spangles and papier mache and cardboard with crayon placards that announce.."VE PROWD BE ASSYRIANSES!!!" It all goes with and fits in perfectly with this idiotic National Agenda of their`s which is nothing less than committing murder by proxy...

..it`s like all those movies where the cops are listenning in to a phone conversation and want to get the guy on the other end..it all comes down to keeping the guy talking while you plot his position..."Keep Him Talking"..the cop will mouth ...keep him talking...and we`ll know where he`s coming from.

That`s what we`ve done..that`s why they tried so hard to "hang up"..to hang us up by banning and deleting us...us and anyone else who was close to revealing where these bastards are coming from..but we didn`t go away..we set up our own surveillance operation and we watched and we listened and we kept them talking..we did it by easily batting down every prooves they come with..and many of the usual suspects gave up and went back to watching TV....and some hunkered down and ventured out to talk longer than they ever had...and some new ones came on to try to put a better face on it..and it was all doomed because either they shut up and our ideas became the dominant ones..or they spoke out more and at greater length..in which case we KEPT THEM talking and now know EXACTLY where they`re coming from.

Assyrians my Arse!

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