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Nuts In Their Shell
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Sunday, August 29 2004, 13:59:50 (CEST)
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...How can they so consistantly not see the nose in front of them...when Ashur gave them THAT nose so they'd never miss it?

Re: To Ashur Beth-Shlimon

Posted By: Ashur Beth-Shlimon (adsl-68-72-124-206.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)
Date: Sunday, 29 August 2004, at 12:54 a.m.

In Response To: To Ashur Beth-Shlimon (Bar Kaldaya)

Dear Bar Kaldaya:

Shlama ...

I sincerely appreciate your response and comments and hereunder I will say the following:

- Our national problems started with our Church and will end with the Church itself, what I mean if we didn't convert to the Catholic church by the starting of 1445 and after , today we will be Assyrian for sure.

...You're close...except you have to admit another source of your problems..you are NOT a nation..not under any definition of the word. Your conversion to the Catholic Church wasn't your first...Catholics don't know what you are talking about...why you are slamming them when YOU converted, or were converted, to the Church in the FIRST place...why make only THEIR conversion the source of the problem? What about your own?

...And it didn't stop there...in the late 1800s, and in advance of the armies that would come for the oil and to dismember the Ottoman Empire that had it cheap...Euro missionaries came to Urmi and converted converts yet AGAIN...all the nationalities who would soon make war on Turkey sent missionaries to "soften the people up" and of course divide them...they planted a foot inside...like they always do..that's all the missionary movement is..a positon from which to begin their slow fuck of nations who have no need whatsover to be "saved" but do have resources that need GETTING.

...The German Lutheran Curch...the British Anglican Church, The Italian Pope's Jesuits, The French Rite, the American Presbyterian and Baptists, the Russian Orthodox ...they all came and they ALL got converts away from the original converts and they ALL made war on our homelands...I told you...once you let your soul slip through your fingers...don't look for it again.

- The Chaldean phenominon never existed in Assyria up to end of the 1500 A.D., all our Christian forefathers one single of them never mentioned the ' Chaldean name ' but many of them saw themselves pure and proud Assyrians, Mar Narsay, Mar Gewarges Warda of Erbel and the beloved beshop the pride and crown of Assyria, Mar Avdesho of Sova ( 13the Century A.D.)

...there were no Pentacostals once..no Born Agains, No Presbyterians, No Protestants, no Lutherans, No Anglicans etc...why are you pointing a finger only at Chaldeans...the finger you point should point at YOU first of all...just because you were the "first converts"...the "first traitors" to the Assyrian name..which has ASHUR written all over it...doesn't mean you are the BEST and most original...well it does...you were the FIRST traitors, the FIRST converts, the FRIST to rip the the "national" fabric...the FIRST to start these problems and divisions by showing the way for the rest..if YOU found a benefit from Christianity greater than from Ashurism..the rest found an even greater benefit from Catholicism...and then from all the rest of the variations on a destructive theme.

...why can't you see this since you see it in everyone else BUT the ones who started the whole thing?

- Before hundred years or so, NATIONALISM was very weak and Christianity was taking the place of Nationalism.

..Christianity took the place of the nation...a nation in exile,such as the Jews, MUST keep its religion and culture intact at least...especially if it is scatttered to the winds...having shown great "flexibility" the wandering Assyrians were that much more likely to be influenced in other ways by all the people and nations they lived among..if you can dump what is central and MOST important to your identity...why would you fight to keep anything ELSE?

But later our people with their contact with the west, little by little started inserting national matters, and such movement started in the begining in Urmia and in south east Anatolia which was headed by our sister Church of the Orthodox/Jacobite.

...you did indeed "insert them"...but into what was no longer a coherent group...you also plastered them over and now use them as Fronts...but under that you are fatally divided and the division was first started by YOU...not the Catholics 1400 years later.

Those who were called by the Pope of Rome ' Chaldeans ' actually were merely Assyrians , because as I said before that time in the north of Mesopotamia chaldeanism never existed period, and unfortunately some of the Chaldean Rite claim that they overran Assyria and they replaced us, this a CLEAR HOAX and hallucination.

...and those who became Christian were merely Jewish...just as some of you Christians claim that we were already half Jewish anyway...so where was the harm? If a shift from Ashur to yahwe was "no big deal"..then why does a shift from a CHRISTIAN Church of the East to a CHRISTIAN Catholic church and then all the rest bother you so? If the first betrayal was "natural"...why are the shifts among the various sects and denominations of that same Christianity the "fatal flaw" in your nation? And finally...why can't you unite under ONE overriding religion...I'll tell you why...because a traitor is never trusted again...If your first conversion was really "natural" and "nothing changed"..it only got "batter"...then why are you complaining now...why isn't your "nation" now the same as your nation was under Ashur?

..Do you really not understand that?

Malik Qambar , Agha Putros, Malkisdeq and others no matter using this compound name or not , they were not in the situation which we are now, and also not very familiar with our history.

...none of you are..you all know Church history and that is only CHURCH history...it is not Assyrian History at all...the history of Methodists is NOT the history of America.

Furthermore, about four years ago I wrote on the subject in Arabic language and was published by a Chaldean Rite magazine, that I received a litter from a well known Chaldean scholar who congratulated me on the subject .

...scholars are no experts anywhere...they can't agree on much either...is a scholar to be another pope for us now...do we follow the NEXT guy who strokes our balls? Where in all this history, and facts and approval ratings and trips to heaven do any of you THINK?

Using the name is not harming nobody, but the point why we DISTORT the history , why we build ourselves on historical FICTION, why not stating the truth and abide by it .

...your first historical fiction kills you from the start...anyone who professes to know Assyrian History could NOT say our ancestors ran in fear to the hills and waited on ONE Jew to give them the courage to come down...a Jew from the same Jews who STAYED right down there in the midst of all that turmoil and fought the ROMAN EMPIRE...while we quaked and quailed. That is absurd..it is also the greatest slander levelled at us by anyone..and it comes from Judaism ITSELF and has been taught to our children.

...This is the first fiction..and you swallow it whole.


A person told me why you are opposing the compound name as long as unite us, I told him I am not opposing our unity period,


..yes you ARE opposed to unity...our only unity EVER was under Ashur, when we didn't play name games and yet welcomed all people and all their gods....in order to do that and remian unified you HAVE to be strongly united and confident to begin with. The Hebrews who were up on a craggy hillside no one else wanted were killing each other over nothing...trifles, let alone eating anyone who as slightly different... when they had every good reason and opportunity and the protected isolation needed to remain unified...but prefered to turn on each other and tear themselves apart when NO ONE wanted to do it to them..by contrast the Assyrians, who lived on a flat and coveted fertile plain with NO craggy peaks where they could get away from it all, learned instead to be strong and CHERISH differences..because we were so STRONGLY and confidently Assyrian...that even with other people and gods living among us..we NEVER lost sight of who we were...not till we got the disease of Intolerance which is the ONLY original thing the Jews gave us...and we have never united since..not even in Christian countries..not even in one city..not even in one religion...not even in ONE congregation...that process that started long ago of getting us too to turn our knives into each other's bellies "for God"...has brought us here...WE are our enemies.

I am the only one who is seeking unity by NOT ACCEPTNG the compound fake name,


...you are only seeing the Chaldean/Assyrian compound name as fake...you don't see how fake the compound name of Christian/Assyrian is...you can't be Christian/Buddhist..those are TWO religions...the name Assyrian has ASHUR in it...like Christian has CHRIST in it...you cannot follow TWO gods..if you are Christian you have your ONE god already...you don't want to be a PAGAN do you?

because in a compound name there is no unity, while with the Assyrian single name we have our SOLID, NATURAL and HISTORICAL UNITY.

..it is NOT an Assyrian single name...it is TWO names...Assyrian AND Christian...which means JEWISH. This is at the core of your dysfunction...NOT the Catholic Chaldean name.

With my best regards,

...you are getting nowhere and never will...but then since going in circles exhausts you, you feel you have done "work". You, like all the rest, will not take a look at ALL our history...you wil never see that what you are blaming Chaldeans for is YOUR failure first of all...you Christians have all abandoned Ashur...what makes YOU the one to scold the rest for abandoning what...Jesus?...your own Marshimmon?...the catholic pope?...a Presbyterian Synod? What made you shift your loyalties to Christ in the FIRST place...that is at the core of this and it's the ONE thing none of you can look squarely in the face...you are afraid to..and Assyrians were never afraid of a damn thing.

Ashur Bth-Shlimon__



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