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Re: Check and mate!
Posted by Dean (Guest) - Friday, September 17 2004, 20:22:31 (CEST)
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Parhad,

I can ask any question I like. You have the option of not answering it or supply answers that don’t meet the challenge. The bottom line is, so far, you've all failed to meet both challenges (which, by the way includes Armenia since geographically is east of Betnahrain)

Parhad, you've shown yourself honorable by allowing your views to shift in light of new information. I commend you for that.

I too, remain open to change my views. If you can provide any information which demonstrates folks were forced into Christianity east of Betnahrain, I will change my views.

-Dean




Parhad wrote:
>Dean wrote:
>>Again David,
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>>Look at the challenge ... I am asking for any historical account from Bet Nahrain going east to the Pacific ocean, not the other way around.
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>>You gave us an example west of Bet Nahrain!
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>..you are in no position to ask...you have made the claim...based on an assumption whose facts we know nothing of...that your Church NEVER used force. YOU are the one who has no historical facts to back you up...same as us..but we have LOTS of examples of what you ALL did...as well as ASSUMPTIONS based on solid evidence of what you ALL did..you won`t give anything.
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>. We have said based on your church`s..or your religion`s example everywhere we OR you have a record..there is no PROOF that they DIDN`T use the same force your religion did everywhere else...to CONVERT people..if you all want to say you are Jews from way back who chased Christ..go ahead. That isn`t the contention here...the point is that YOU have to provide evidence for YOUR claims..we provide evidence for OURS...and so far we`ve presented our side, with all the limitations there are...while you merely made a single statement..told us YOU had the proof to back it up...have refused steadily to provide it..have told US to go find it...and have not ONCE given us YOUR assumptions OR any evidence for YOUR claim.
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>..civilized debate doesn`t function that way...your tricks do. Once again...I say the Church..YOUR chucrh ALL churches..in all the circumstances where people "converted"...convertd FROM their own non-Jew religions...NOT from Judaism to Christianity..in all those cases ESPECIALLY where people had their own pagan ways, like the Armenians and Assyrians..that FORCE by used by SOMEBODY..that it is ridiculous to say people were swept away from their gods and ways by a lone JEW.
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>..if you have evidence that Armenians or any other pagan people..NOT Jews...switched over to Christ WITHOUT force..which is what you are claiming... once again, YOUR job is to bring YOUR proof..not ours..we gave you our`s...match it with your own..stop asking for more from us..you don`t like what we have..go get your own.
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>...or, then again, don`t...the more you dance around this point the better..if you had ONE shred of evidence you`d have put it up in an instant..as Paul finally did when he THOUGHT to answer my question..he had no trouble providing us with that quote..if you had any facts to back your claim..you`d have put them here already.
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>,,,not only have you no facts and evidence to back your claim directly..you haven`t even a single thing to base your assumption on..your assumption that force was NOT used...it`s just your wish..your propaganda and lousy logic...no one is fooled..if you have ANY guesses or evidence...put up or shut up...whatever you think of it..we gave you our argument...let`s see your`s.
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>..it is not an "arguemnt" to tell us to go find YOUR evidence for you...if you make a claim..and such an outrageous one at that...seems to us you need to back it up...your "back-up" can`t be that we didn`t prove our point to your satisfaction..not so long as you refuse to give us YOUR argument..so we can weigh it..as you`ve been able to weigh ours..your statement of "faith" in your church and its methods...YOUR church..is not an "argument"..it`s just your belief...give us your REASONS for holding that belief..we gave you ours.
>>-Dean
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>>Tiglath wrote:
>>>In 313AD, while battling to become the new emperor of Rome , Constantine claimed that he saw a burning cross in the sky, with the words, "in this sign, conquer." After emerging victorious from the battle he finally gave Christians freedom of worship throughout the Roman Empire .
>>>
>>>It was not until 380 AD that Emperor Theodosius introduced legislation that affirmed the dogmas of the Council of Nicaea and made church membership compulsory. By 393AD, he had made Christianity the official and only state religion of the Roman Empire . He then undertook the forcible suppression of all other religions, and the prohibition of all forms of paganism. [1] Any who would dare to hold to any other form of worship were considered heretics and would suffer severe punishment from the state.
>>>[1] Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol 18, p.926.



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