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Re: Dear Lady
Posted by Dalale (Guest) - Monday, July 19 2004, 16:13:49 (CEST)
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I appreciate the courage it took to post here...though it`s obvious by now that we can drag you over..but while our heroes are content to be dragged..you came on your own...and I`m sure a part of you thought you`d be savaged by me.

****It took a little courage, but i'm known for being courageous, so it's not anything new, and it's not the most courageous thing i've done. I thought you might swear etc but I also knew you would appreciate some of what I said. Most Artist's I know are a little wacky but in their heart genuine human beings, so I had to give you the benefit of the doubt. I was also careful in what I typed! hh

I am indeed proud of what you accomplished...and I`m not a great sculptor by any means...I`m a pissed as hell Assyrian as I watch us destroying ourselves over Jew religions..you believe in your variant of it and Muslims believe in their`s and frankly my Dear...I don`t give a damn any longer.

**** Thanks, I haven't accomplished much, but hopefully in the future I will accomplish more. You ARE a great sculptor, many of my friends think so as well. I remember a comment I made to you in that conversation two years ago that if Abraham never left Ur or Mesopotamia, and his children were born, and their children, eventually Jesus would have been born in Mesopotamia as well. And I still don't think it's a Jew Religion, they took the Epics of Mesopotamia and converted them into some Jewish tales, but they are not originally Jewish, and by the way where are the Jews originally from anyway? And remember Mr. Parhad, the Jews don't worship Jesus, and from my point of view the problem is not what Jesus said, the problem is our interpretation of what he said, and of course the Church has been a problem. I asked you in that conversation 2 years ago and I ask again, why didn't the Assyrians create a Holy Book out of their Religious knowledge, so that Assyrians today could have followed it?


All we`re saying is that it is preposterous for anyone to say Christians are the ONLY Assyrians allowed and then set rules and regulations that THEY will enforce to see if they`ll THINK about letting a Muslim or a Kurd join.

********* I think if anyone from Mesopotamia considers himself Assyrian, it should be fine, regardless of Religion, but I have not heard many Iraqi-Muslims say such things, nor Kurdish-Muslims. And about the Kurds, who said that we don't want to live in peace with them or that they cant "join", but where it concerns the Kurds, they are not the Indigenous people of the North of Iraq and it seems at times they don't want to let us "join" in a region which is historically our own. Even if some Assyrians converted and became Kurds, the Kurds were a invading force in the North of Iraq. Nonetheless that doesn't mean we should not be able to live with them, but we also deserve to have our right's in this region.

A Heritage as old as ours with such poor records kept cannot possibly know today who is and who isn`t. And while you`re correct about the lovely dress you made...you should have seen my first attempts. I`ve seen books with photos of the most beautiful Iraqi women...as lovely as you...who were Muslim...modeling dresses in Baghdad years ago that were indeed carefully and lovingly made to resemble the originals..and they were made by professionals so you have nothing to apologize for.

******** Thanks :)!

Now if those women are Muslims and if they say they are representing their Iraqi Heritage...the Christians among us say they are "Arabizing" Assyrian history. They are NOT! If they were Christians you wouldn't`t say that and that`s my point.. The ancient Assyrian Heritage is indeed today`s Iraqi Heritage..being Muslim or not and speaking Aramaic or not changes nothing.

******** I don't think they are Arabizing Assyrian history, but most of them believe they are Arabs not Assyrians, so the history of the Assyrians is also theirs, but some of them are confused and believe themselves to be "Arabs" because they are Muslim. I have heard of Iraqi Muslims calling themselves Assyrian but I've never met one.

When you Christians stop saying Muslims can`t be Assyrians...I^ll stop using your argument against you...we`re either in this thing together or no one gets the prize...and as far as Muslim Assyrians killing Christian Assyrians...that`s hardly a one way street and no proof at all that they can`t be the same people..in fact looking at the way Christians kill Christians over arcane and ridiculous details..it should come as NO surprise that Assyrian would kill Assyrian..over religion ESPECIALLY.

****** Muslim's can say they are Assyrian. The more Assyrians the merrier! About the Killing of Assyrians-Christians, since we are and were a minority in the region, we have been slaughtered a couple of times by "Muslims" even if we were once the same people, now we are considered as third class citizens in the Region, there are more Animal Right's in the world then Assyrian-Christian right's in Iraq.

And, finally...you cannot be Assyrian Christian..you can be Iraqi Christian or American Christian...or Israeli Muslim...but you don`t follow Ashur any longer...and you can`t be designated by TWO gods in your hyphenated names...there is no Assyrian nation today and if there was even a Triangle...the residents of it would not be of ONE religion..not if it`s a free democracy..so that to call yourselves Assyrian Christians...would mean Muslims in that triangle would be Muslim Assyrians and any Jews there would be Assyrian Jews..and there you have it...we`re right back where we started from...for any country to be called Assyria..is like calling a country Christlandia..it just doesn't`t work.

****** I was born in Lebanon, so I cant be Iraqi-Christian even though my dad is Iraqi, I can be Assyrian-Christian since my parents are both Assyrian, not having a recognized homeland doesn't make it incorrect to call ourselves Assyrians. Just like muslims of Iraq can be Assyrian-Muslims. On the other hand this point must be made, the Assyrian-Muslims of Iraq have intermarried much more with foreign cultures, like Arabs etc, but the Assyrian-Christians have mostly intermarried with their own people which makes them closer genetically to the Ancient Assyrians then Assyrian-Muslims per say.

*****Ashur is the "all seeing", is the all seeing not the Universal God?

But..as you don`t have a nation or triangle and never will...especially after this last bit of inhumane folly...you cannot call yourselves by the names of TWO gods..that ain`t monotheism.

**** The term "triangle" is used to point out a specific geographic region.

In any case...it figures we`d have women come here and none of the male worriers who post like mice and brag that they make batter warriors than any ten thousand other men.

***** I am also a one woman army hh :)!

Thank you again for making us all proud.

****Your welcome!

Abbey



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