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Re: Hair Jassim
Posted by Parhad (Guest) - Saturday, September 18 2004, 3:30:08 (CEST)
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Qasrani wrote:
>You don't even know me, nor should you think you know. What you know is the sliver that is my words that I type in these posts. What does that tell you about me as a person? Nothing.


..I think I used the same mental process you used to determine I am an ANGRY person.


Yet you seem to think you can draw some giant explication from it. That I am "drained of juice" and that I am "used to being petted and stroked for performing like well trained seal in an institution." What the hell do you know, honestly?

...What do we know of footrpints in the sand...that doesn`t stop us from making an educated guess. Whenever anyone assumes I must be an angry person..I assume that person get`s startled easily...that makes me think they haven`t much oil in their joints...and that makes me draw a mental image of them as being on the uptight side...and to me that usually means someone with dry meat..or lacking in juices.
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>I do stand up for what I think whether you or Peter or anyone else cares to respect it. If I was looking for validation from the likes of you or Peter, I would toe your respective lines. I don't. I state my convictions. And I get smacked from either side. I don't really care.

...If you would feel a little closer to our people...take a smack once in awhile..if it`s for a good cause. It seems to me that before you can play catch you need a ball...there`s quite a difference between this forum and their message boards..while they have no balls and must pretend...we have plenty and smack them around all over the place..if you would have a serious debate or explore something, you can`t start out with tape over your mouth..your hands tied..shackles on your feet and a rope round your neck..you won`t go far and any distance you move, be it ever so small, will be fraught with danger...that`s not the way to discover who you are...what being an Assyrian is...what`s happening in Iraq..or much else.

On our forum nothing holds you back..should you really want to explore and exploring is uasually dangerous buisness...I have found that people prefer to bang their heads on what is familiar...the old rebel thing...where you merely strain at the rope tying you to a stake...that may look and feel like a struggle to be free..but it isn`t...it`s a struggle AGAINST freedom...You`re free when you cut the rope..only problem is that hurls you into places you`d never been before..places beyond where your rope allowed you to "explore".

This forum scares people...freedom scares people...to battle Peter is familiar territory..we all knew lots of jerks like him growing up.

As you can see nothing is sacred...everyone and everything is called into question and who knows where this thing is going...who would have guessed where it went in three years,,,I certainly didn`t start out to make a monument...I didn`t start out to discover that Iraq is Assyria and all the people there are Assyrians and everyone else who ever lived there..I sure as hell didn`t know I`d discover that the great Islamic Empire only got that way because we joined Islam and civilized those people as well...I had no idea our influence spread with the Moors and then the Conquistadors all the way to Mexico where I find the word "Miskeena" means the same as it does with us...or that they call breasts, "chi chi", like some of us do..and who knows what other similarities there are.

Tiglath has a mountain of dead beef in front of this place from the sacred cows he`s been slaughtering left and right..I never knew Paul would disassemble himself before our eyes..I never dreamed he would have started cussing like any salt sea sailor...I didn`t know it would cause a panic in him to see a promising Christian lout turn into a butterfly and fly away..had no idea he`d enlist Dean and then find a nobody to come here FAST and risk their necks...getting a lot tougher themselves from the day when I was banned from their forum for saying the word "ass"..and was admonished to use "jackass" instead because I would scare the women and horses...I had no IDEA where it would lead and yes, people have been bent out of shape and we had to hide out in Europe so Jackie and a certain nameless person couldn`t sue to pull the plug on us and yes, they are talking about us in Baghdad and yes, The Whacki Rabbi from Iraqi called Narsai to complain about us and yes, Jeff got a call from a friend who received a call from someone with ZOWAA from Iraq who told him to tell me to stop causing trouble...and on and on.

This is not the typical Assyrian froum..it is the ONLY Assyrian forum..and to characterize us as the same as Peter because we too "slap" people...shows a lack of more than juice on your part.


It's an honor that I'm not confined to any paradigm like you or Peter. You compare me to Habibi and by that simple statement you showed your lack of insight into either of us. What is so damn similar in that respect? That she's in higher education and so am I? That's enough to throw us into the same camp? That's outrageous and not to mention lazy!

...as you said, I don`t know you..neither do you know me...and all of a sudden I`m in with Peter. You and Habibi and a certain "Julia" have the same knack of flying off the handle when contradicted...Habibi is missing in action...there is a common thread running through you all and lots of people...but I`ll tell you one significant difference that brings you ALL up short...we don`t do what you`re complaining so vociferously to Peter about..we don`t do what he does to you... and others like you haven`t yet decided where you find it more congenial and for what reasons...This forum offers all anyone could hope for...you can ignore...I don`t bother with our boys any more..but I gave them every chance to aquit themselves nobly..and we move on..we don`t ban them and delete them...we don`t need to...we want to prepare people for the world..to take out cause and arguments and proooves out THERE...and as far as possible..this place reflects more of what you will find out there than Hanna and Peter rolled up into one big message board....
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>For all your claims of having an open forum, there is a lack of civility. Not toward me as much, but I have taken note of how you treat most people. It's as though you want to trump anything and everything anyone else says. There's really no room for discussion. At times you are the advocatis diabolis with no purpose other than to stir the pot.

..what ever made you think "civility" is part of a forum? Are you serious? You may go out your door and not LIKE the rudeness you encounter...so what? You gonna stay indoors for all of that? This is not a civil world...we didn`t make it that way...and so long as it is...far better to learn not to be run over by it...when you can`t stay indoors.

...you can accuse the people who provide basic training to soldeirs as having an agenda...of being intentionally cruel and mean when they could as easily let everyone sleep in and cage a ride instead of march, I mean..."where`s the rush"?..you could call an athletic program unreasonable because it expects people to practise all week long when the game only takes an hour...you can do all that...but it shows what you expect from yourself..if you find I cramp your style...in ways you find more intolerable than Peter, fine...for myself, I`d rather go up againt the most challenging than satisfy myself by running rings round Peter..or Hanna. Here you have the opportunity...with Peter you have to beg for what you`re freely given here...it seems you want Freedom...but only if it`s civil...doesn`t work that way..Freedom means you are free..it promises you nothing more than that...and neither do we.
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>You insult, plain and simple. That does not make for discussion, constructive or otherwise. It just leaves people with a bad feeling. You don't come off all that passionate.

..okay...but I would consider the bigger insult to my intellect and Humanity the person who takes it upon himself to censor me..and ban me..not the one who will allow me the chance to ignore him or her in order to have my say..and what`s so odd is that if your purpose is to communicate with them..they ALL read here...so, what do you REALLY want from aina and Peter?...I`ve heard all sorts of insults directed at me for years..I`ve even had amateurs ruin my profession and income...that`s a part of the game..it either makes you tougher..which we could use..or you go bang your head against a Peter and feel you did something...cause your head hurts.
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>I'm not making a bugaboo out of you. I do think you are angry, though. If I wanted to say more than that I would. But I don't have the frame of reference (knowing you personally) to make grander statements than that. I am more than able to stand up for myself, Parhad. That's why you always fall back on attacking the fact that I have an education of some sort or other. Who cares? I'm sorry you ever found out what I study. And the whole point of the academic exercises was to make myself more limber in the brain. I never ever want anyone to judge me (either in good or in bad) on what degree I may or may not have.


...there`s nothing at all odd or unnatural in anger..not a thing...when I get angry at someone I take it out on THAT person..not everyone else. Fear is also a perfectly healthy and necessary emotion...do you mean nothing makes you angry..or fearful? There`s a lot to be angry at...I can`t help that...I`m not seeking "closure"...I`m meeting the Times I live in face to face..like our people are...they aren`t "terrorists"..they aren`t murderers...they aren`t just "like that"....I have no doubt you think Sadr is "angry". He has things to get angry over..I have mine. We`ve been subjected to Peter and Hannà`s lies..lies that helped cost people`s lives...the attempt to cause friction and hatred between our people in Iraq is a serious thing..it has to be dealt with seriously...I am not there...I am elsewhere and my function is therefore different..but I`m angry..you bet...but I`m angry at Bush..you be angry with Peter.
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>That's why both you and Peter attack in the same way. With a wave of a hand he can call my posts "liberal" as though it is some dirty word and you can call me stunted for having gone to school.

..and that comment puts you with Habibi..who attacks me in the same way..only I don`t mind..go ahead..but I`ll remind you again...whatever this forum is...it doesn`t ban or delete..we don`t take you off and THEN ridcule you...if it happens it happens to your face and you have every chance for rebuttal...as you are getting now. We can`t expect to be treated fairly in life..life isn`t fair...but we CAN hope to be allowed the most leeway possible in explaining and defending ourselves and going on the counterattack if we feel up to it..seems to me that`s what most people would settle for...
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>These are not just words. If that is how you feel about the purpose of the forums, then I can work under that premise. Thanks for telling me. I never thought of the exchange of ideas as just mere words. Because words are so malleable, they are so descriptive, they give texture to ideas.

..you know what I mean..I mean there`s nothing to jump out of your skin over...the same thing you`d say to Peter.
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>And finally, there is always room for civility. You cannot be in a constant rush to take over the parliament.

...sure I can. I can be civil..I can be lots of things..is it my fault I`m multi-faucetted?
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>You said:
>That you are so disappointed in Assyrians may be laid to what you imagine to BE Assyrians in the first place.
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>You are right on that count. I wasn't raised around Syriac-speakers except my parents. Each time I interact with them, I'm initially offended then repulsed, then saddened.

..think how you`d feel if they also ruined your ability to feed your family or pursue your profession..pretty nasty stuff.

I feel that we can do better than we do. Convention pushes my feelings to their highest pitch. The thing is, there is so much apathy among the Syriac-speakers. And the ones with motivation are blinded by their cause. We are doomed whomever we stand next to.

..speak for yourself...we have a struggle ahead of us...most college kids don`t struggle...not really. What people face in Iraq now is struggle..to rebuild and redefine what it is to be Assyrian is no easy thing...but it sure as hell isn`t a lost cause..it`s a glorious one..a bright and hopeful and SEXY one.
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>I don't want Iraq to be homogenous. I want the Syriac language to survive. Every single person who is native to Iraq is of the same stock, whatever their religion or ethnicity. I don't want an Assyrian Freudian triangle. I want a single Iraq with all its different parts living together. With shi'a guys serenading me with Sargon Gabriel songs even if they don't know the meaning to those words. And 3adel 3ogla singing Ashur Bet-Sargis songs. And yea, even Edmond singing "I need to know" in the lounge style that he knows. And Janan Sawa making all the newly emigrated people from Dohuk remember their days back home by singing in Kurdish. This is Iraq in freeze frame.

...that makes perfect sense to me..same thing I want...and anger and fear and humor and insults and kindness are all the tools it will take and more...to build this "thing"...simple desire that it should be, won`t do it...in that regard...a good solid training ground and an ability to use lots of tools may not be a bad place to start.
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>Qasrani



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