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Re: Mother and Baby go for a swim.
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Thursday, September 9 2004, 7:13:17 (CEST)
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>-PaulPaul Younan wrote:
>Suppose a mother takes her 1 day-old infant swimming. She swims out 100 feet from the shore where the water is 20 feet deep. They are alone.
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>At this moment the child is no less dependent on the mother for it's life than 48 hours ago. And (except in the case of rape) the mother was no more forced into this situtation than she was forced to bear the fetus. Both situations are a consequence of HER voluntary choice.

..not if the man dragged her to the beach...you are SUCH a nimno..what has this to do with ahything? You can present all the compelling arguments you want from the BABY`S point of view..don`t you get it? You aren`t telling any of us anything we don`t know..we all KNOW it`s a terrible thing to do...but we ALSO know dying from a back alley abortion is a terrible thing..and we KNOW the baby gets drowneded and killed anyway..don`t you get it? None of what you`ve said for 2000 years..no punishments, no inducements, no threats, no offers to adopt have made ANY difference..women go on having abortions REGARDLESS..we all know that..your swim story doesn`t change ANY woman`s idea about abortion...we know that because it HAD to be legalizied...we are not saying abortion is a wonderful thing..where did you hear anyone say that?

We are saying all YOU have been able to do for 2000 and 4000 years hasn`t STOPPED ABORTIONS..and your gettiing them made illegal won`t stop them either...ALL that will happen is that women will be placed in a situation of risk that is NO LONGER tolerable or justifiable...we all KNOW the fetus dies...it dies ANYWAY..all YOU want to do is PUNISH the woman who displease your Deusenberg!
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>Suppose in the middle of the lake the mother decides she doesn't want the child, she doesn't care to support it in any way. Does the child have a right to safe passage back to the shore at her expense?

...the child is viable..it exists away from the mother`s body..the mother OR father taking the child INTO a potentially dangerous place and deciding to "leave" them there is vastly different...this is a VIABLE child who could live outside the mother`s body..what it hasn`t been taught to do is SWIM..that is a failure of the parents...pregnancy isn`t a FAILURE..it happens..and when it happens and the woman doesn`t want it she WILL drown it..all history shows us that..we just don`t want her to drown as well..in your stupid analogy that`s the answer you get back...we have decided NOT to punish the mother..like none of the airmen were punished for dropping bombs on Majdolin`s children...OBVIOUSLY Christians don`t mind KILLING BABIES..what is the MATTER with you..why in all this scenario of death do you want to ADD the women???
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>I don't see why being outside of her body would produce such a right....the few inches past the birth canal can't be the only reason why this 1-day old infant has any more rights than it did 48 hours ago while it was still in her womb.

..it`s your privillege to have whatever morals you want...your morals aren`t the basis for our Law...NO one`s are. The people who made abortion legal ALSO have morals..and they all agree that aborting a fetus, a potential life is a TERRIBLE thing to do..but when your car needs gas, your country does TERRIBLE things to get it for you...and when a woman wants her body back for WHATEVER reason,,we allow HER to do terrible things she would do ANYWAY..we just don`t want to punish her as well..that is YOUR morality not ours..we stop at doing the terrible thing to the fetus..you go on...after the terrible thing is done to the fetus you want ANOTHER terrible thing done to the woman..because you are MORAL..we stop at one death..you want to go for TWO.

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>I don't see why 48 hours ago this infant was part of "her body", but now it supposedly isn't. Then again, I'm not a baby-killer like Ashurbanipal was.

..your Hebrews at the same time were killing their OWN children..at least we children of Ashurbanipal never killed our own children and we outlawed abortion as well..and we stopped punishing women TODAY..your morality doesn`t save ANYONE..the fetus dies as it has for thousands of years in millions and millions and millions of abortions..but we want to stop at the fetus..your morality demands the woman pay the same price..it isn`t MURDER you resent..it`s FREE women!
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