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Re: Murder Inc.
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Friday, August 13 2004, 5:34:51 (CEST)
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Paul Younan wrote:
>>>I understand perfectly what a martyr is. If you use the definition in Webster's dictionary, it means a person who chose death instead of denying their religion.
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>>...then all the Freedom Fighters in Iraq are also martyrs...
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>What? Hello? Does that make any sense to anyone else?

...need help?
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>PAUL SAID: "Martyr means a person who chose death instead of denying their religion."
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>to which Farid answers:
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>"then all the Freedom Fighters in Iraq are also martyrs"

...you value suicide when confronted with a problem your children must handle without you...Iraqis who go up against the greatest fighting force the world ever saw are courting death as well...but they don't wait for it passively..if they MUST be killed for their religion...they choose to do so FIGHTING..and THAT is a lot more Assyrian than your suicide and abandonment of your children ever was.
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>Hello! Farid, are you okay? What American forces asked the "Freedom Fighters in Iraq" to convert to Christianity or face death?

...The Iraqi people were told to knuckle under...they were called every name imaginable FOR being Muslims..they were told their children would be starved to death for as long as it took them to rise up against Saddam...something akin to denying their religion, their faith and honor and belief that they did NOTHING to deserve this and were being punished for BEING Muslim..but a way was held out to them..as they keep making amnesty proposals to the Fighters...that goes AGAINST their religion...and to remain faithful to IT they stuck around..they watched their babies die of starvation..they tried to clean them with dirty water...they tried to comfort them as they wailed for food or from pain because the United States would not allow dual use...these are things a Muslim parent believes are part of the religion..that you do NOT commit suicide to spare YOURSELF...riding to glory on a cloud while your children face the music...the Iraqi people were given the CHOICE to capitualte...they were TOLD they would be attacked and their children carried off to death...they REFUSED to knuckle under and are fighting for their freedom..knowing full well many of them will die.but die FIGHTING...Yes..they are indeed Freedom Fighters who chose the harder road to martyrdom...to go up AGAINT overwhelming odds as their religion teaches them, rather than fall apart as YOUR religion teaches you...you crawl to the feet of those bringing martyrdom...Muslims RUN to face those bringing it to them.
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>Wulla you are a nutcase.
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>>only they choose to die FIGHTING!
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>You mean like Mar Shimon, Agha Petros and all those other Christians that you will never mention in the same context?

...they BETRAYED their countries for the PAY and promises of foreign Christians bringing death to their fellows and neighbors and we can see by the way they were ultimately disposed of just how fooled and beguiled by this Christian faith of yours they were.
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>>You choose it as a passive way out for YOU while your children stay behind to get far worse than death.
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>That's ridiculous and I wish you would get over it already.

...you said you would die...we know no one wants to waste young girls...you told us so yourself...you even wrote a disgustingly self-glorifying farewell note...so in LOVE were you with the image of YOU...screw them.
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>I'd choose death over relinquishing my religion whether I was single with no children or married with children, it doesn't matter. All you've done is once again set up a straw man and begun attacking it. It's your favourite technique when you know you are losing an argument.

..it's no technique...you brought your family up thinking you had a sure fire example of what Muslims do...when we saw instead what a weasel and coward YOU are...you want me to get over it.
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>>You people are in love with death, your own most of all.
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>No we are not. We are in love with life as we want to live it, not as someone else decides for us to live it.

...you could not have had your religion had not the poor bastard who brought you the good news been murdered. Sure you love life...after you kill.

Once it comes to that, there is no reason to live anymore. I have no desire to live as a Muslim or as anything else but a Christian. It is my choice.....and so would be death if it meant living as a non-Christian.

...your children wouldn't feel that way..they would be happy to live..just live..but YOU would teach them this horrific morality as well and cause THEM to die too...like I said...to the Law you are an unfit parent..only the church applauds such worms.
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>>The Muslim Freedom Fighter courts death too...but not as dog sitting by while his throat is cut
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>Who would be sitting? That would be YOU after you tried to convert and they laughed and sliced your neck anyway.

...stop making cute...or do so and still address the point.
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>>... and NEVER offering his own children up after he beats a hasty retreat.
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>More senseless rambling. Nobody would offer up their children. Yosip made his own choice....Qinno, unfortunately, we don't know what became of her. They were probably going to take her anyway, being sick pedophiles like their Muhammad (curses be upon him now and always and forevermore, Amen). Maybe somebody resued her. Yosip never saw her again and nobody had any information.

...sounds like what you Christians have been doing to everyone you could, including your own for centuries.
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>Regardless, the parents' refusal to be forced into Islam does not translate in any way, shape or form to them "offering up their own children."

...sure it does...if there is something as simple as sayiong words and dancing one way instead of another..and you won't do it..you sold them.
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>>...in your new and improved version of the story they MIGHT have been given a choice....
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>I never said that you idiot. I said maybe they were going to be killed ANYWAY, AFTER THE CHOICE was given....MAYBE it was all a ploy. Do you understand EEENGLIS?

...you said they WERE martyred,...that means CHOICE...
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>>where you said before you KNEW they were asked to say ten words...because their 12 year old son witnessed it and lived to tell about how the same choice was giben to HIM.
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>I'm still saying the same thing. What did you read?

...no choice was given...no one wanted converts...we know that because they didn't kill the girl..or did she convert? They merely wanted the girl and wanted the rest dead...that isn't martyrdom..but if there WAS a choice given..then those parents were criminally negligent.
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>>>They were martyrs. Get over it.
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>>..not in your re-telling. They were murdered outright for BEING Christians..that is not martyrdom...it is murder..like all the Muslims AND Christians your Bush has murdered for being Muslim.
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>You'd like that, wouldn't you? To draw some sort of parallel? Nice try.

...doesn't matter what I do...our Christians are paying the price for YOUR morality.
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>>...Jeez you're a slippery bastard. You said their son SAW them given the choice...as was he...but that HE SAW his parents refuse and choose death...the same choice he claims he was presented with and turned down.
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>Yes. I'm glad you understand now.
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>>...And NO choice was given the girl because she was valuable.
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>He doesn't know Farid. They sliced his neck and he wasn't really paying attention to anything after they threw him in the pit on top of his parent's lifeless bodies....he wasn't really in the condition to peek out and see what happened to Qinno, whether they killed her too or whether they gave her a choice or whether they simply rode off with her.

..or ate her?
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>I know one thing: he never forgot her. He named his first daughter (my Mother) Qinno....his next daughter was named after his mother (Khatoun) and his son was named after his father Dawith.

...touching.
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>They lived on with pride - YOU hang your head in shame, you coward.

...bugger off. You said yourself you'd choose to leave your children behind because YOU can't say ten words...go back and read your smarmy letter to yourself.
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>>...These were murders
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>Of course they were murders. You're such a genius Farid, how did you come up with that brilliant idea all by your wittle lonesome? Geez.
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>>...and your family was killed outright..
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>By "outright" you mean of course that they weren't martyrs...that these cold-blooded blood-thirsty Turks didn't offer any chance for them to become good, acceptable Muhammadites (curses be upon his name, now and forevermore, Amen.)?

...you don't hurt me with these curses..you just make it harder for Christians in Iraq...but then you weren't trying to make life easy for them either.
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>>..it is your church and YOu who lie about it for the sake of god..
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>There are plenty of people in our community who knew my grandfather and what happened to his family. I don't feel particularly interested in convincing an idiot like you of anything. Your opinion means shit to me. Do I look like I care what you think? The story was told on a different forum in response to a different question. It has nothing to do with you or my desire for you to "believe" it. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant - as YOU are irrelevant to this nation.

...you always waste time on irelevancies..when not on your knees I mean?
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>The rest of your post is your same senseless ramblings. I don't have the patience right now to explain to you for the umpteenth time that Christian Assyrians have never killed 6 million Jews and that there has been no greater killer of Christian Assyrians in the last 1,400 years than the Muhammadite (curses be upon his name now and foreevermore, Amen and Amen.)

...and neither can I tell you that if ALL Muslims are murderers...then ALL Christians deserve death as well...how do you like it when we play fair?
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>-Paul



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