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Re: Of Legal Daughters and Pulp
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Sunday, September 5 2004, 21:16:08 (CEST)
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The REAL Paul Younan wrote:
>>while we`ve got you on a Sunday and you you feel you must play fair...and before you get tempted by your old Devil again..let me point out that the fetus in a raped woman is not her daughter or son..it isn`t even a Life yet..not in the legal deifinitiona and since you avail yourselves of every legal definition you can when it suits you..let`s give this one some air time.
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>Bullshit. Life begins at conception.

...we leave these things to Medicine to decide which you`re glad enough to do when you`ve got a disease you don`t want to be chanted over but what a doctor FAST. Medical science has determined that Life begins well after conception...that as long as the fetus can`t live on its own it isn`t "viable" Life..and therefore no Life...the potential for a bridge is not one you`d want to cross before its built...People who deicde these decided they don`t need to hear from you..but we`re willing to...


The baby has its own genetic makeup different from that of the mother.


...so does a dead five year old killed by America...it too has genetic make-up and the rest of it...that didn`t save it from an "acceptable" policy of starvation...any naturally aborted fetus also has genetic whatevers distinct and all of that..so what?

If the mother is carrying a boy, it does not make the mother a male for nine months. The mother doesn't have a penis for nine months.

...gee...I thought it would. Thanks.
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>The baby is of course dependent on the mother for everything, which is of course the case even when it is born.

...not at all...you may use words like pellets from a shotgun..all over the polace in hopes you`ll hit something..around here you have to hone your skills a bit more and take one shot at a time...the meaning of "dependent" changes constantly..you are dependent on your mother for certain things all your life..but what you need at 15 and 19 and 9 and one year old and after three months as afetus are very different. As a fetus the Pulp is dependant on the mother for Life itself...something it can`t get from anyone else at THAT point...from the minute of birth, if neecessary, the child can be raised by a gorilla. There comes a time during the cycle when the fetus could exist away from the mother..no matter how badly it NEEDS the mother...and more so now that science can replicate the conditions..as with pre-mature babies...but there isn`t anyone else or any machine that can take over at conception and do the job fromthere on out. Doctors and moralists and ethicists determined that until any other intervening force can sustain the fetus`life...and for the time spoan when ONLY the mother can...with the fetud dying if denied the mother`s body..that fetus isn`t Life...as our culture defines it...no one wants to do it...except we want the woman to be able to..should she CHOOSE to...and have the best medical care she can...that`s all.
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>>The drawing of a building is not a building..neither is the first floor without a roof or pipes windows and doors anything you`d accept as the finished house you signed on and paid the contractor for..he can`t tell you to move in because it`s a POTENTIAL house.
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>There's nothing POTENTIAL about a pre-born baby.

...I think you don`t speak the language well..or play games too readily. A stone at the top of a slope has potential enerfgy...as it rolld down it has kinetic energy...a fetus has no kinetic energy of its own..it`s sitting there waiting to get to that point..until then it only has the potential to be VIABLE life..and that is the basis for the legalizing of abortions...and it`s a good one.


It is real, not a drawing. It has its own genetic makeup, its own heartbeat by the time most women figure out that they are pregnant.

...so did the children starved to death in Iraq...having these things obviously protects no one in themselves...it means nothing in the case of a fetus especially...a pimple has your genetic make-up, that`s no reason to dres it up and send it to school.
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>Your drawing analogy is bullshit.

...not at all...the geneitc make-up of cells is often described as a pattern of Life. It matter not at all that the fetus has genes that are the same or different..or that it has fingernails and a heart and anything else..all that matters, legally and medically..and these are the people who deicde these things in our Democracry..the fetus cannot sustain Life on its own with the very basic functions the mother must do FOR it. Therefore it ian`t Life...technically. You can weep over it all you want to..fortunately for the rest of us, your god blesses missles and guns...that`s his proper province...we keep him out of our bedrooms and operating AND abortion clinics.
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>>The fetus could not sustain its life outside the mother`s body..it may be a potential life but it isn`t Life yet.
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>Bullshit. The criteria for life is not whether or not someone can sustain their own life.

...yes it is..legally and medically...you go play with your morals..leave us out of it..it isn`t a game we wish to play. This is also the definition now mercifully used to decide when to turn the machinery off on older people pr injured ones who also have their own genes blah blah. If a machine keeps you alive and there is no prospect of ever getting off it, the culture has gradually come to see that this is not Life any longer....and they pull the plug legally...you can cry about that as well..might as well.

Same is true at the beginning of Life...the fetus cannot maintain itself...and in the first trimester there is no machine that can do it either...if the mother aborts the fetus then..or has it surgically removed...it can`t survive..period. Therefore wiser heads than yours deicded it wasn`t Life at all...just the chance for it.





...otherwise we would be doing the pagan thing of pushing our elderly relatives off of cliffs and turning off life support to those people who were in recent car accidents.

...we used to do that...and now we do indeed turn off machinery when Legal Death is reached...you should read more recent Literature than Deuteronomy...definitions and fashions have changed since then...we are re-defining things all the time and we`ve re-defined Life nd Deat as well...catch up...you don`t have to agree but you should at least be aware of what it is you rail against..makes it more fun pummeling you too....this way you just blow yourself away...I want to do it.
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>>If the mother chooses to abort..she isn`t killing a daughter or son...the fetus isn`t either yet..not in any rational sense and before you tell us, we all know that religion isn`t rational..we accpet your handicap already...no need to remind us. Since the potential child is only a potentiality...and since men give thesmselves the right to terminate real living children and their mothers...a mother has the same right to terminate what isn`t even a child yet.
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>At what point in your evil little mind does the child become a "child yet?"

..nothing Evil about it...Medical Science isn`t Evil either...the fetus is a child when it can sustain itslf..in fact Medical Science has worked hard to reverse nature in that regard..was a time when no pre-matuyre baby could hope to survive...proving that a non-viable Pulp isn`t a child..or is a dead one real fast...now we`re able to rescue the little bugger and keep it alive till it IS viable...let`s hear it for the same people who bring us fun abortions.


As you probably don't know, a baby is viable after 7 months...of course they may need a respirator and some feeding tube to survive...but survive they do, and all the time.

..sure, if those things are available...so you see it isn`t within the child always that the chance to go from potential to kinetic Life exists...it takes intervention..and intervention is what abortion is...sometime you interven to end a potential Life and sometimes you intervene to MAKE it Live. These two go together for all your railing.
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>So I'm very curious to know - where do you draw your neo-Pagan line between life and non-life?

..told you several times already.
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>>Like I said..start at the most horrendous crimes and work your way down to a poor single mother..or ANY mother who has a fun abortion...don`t START with her...she`s been fucked already by men.
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>You're talking about 1% of the cases of abortion. Again, you bring up the most minor of issues when you ignore the larger issue. Rapes and health of the mother rank a mere 4% of the cases of abortion

..this is your game..I said ALL abortions are legal and justified WHENEVER a mother wants one..the Law doesn`t agree with me..it says a woman can have fun abortion in the first trimester...again, I am talking about abortion on demand..I don`t care the percentages..I don`t care the fetus..I don`t care your morality...all I care about and here the country agrees with us...a woman can have a safe and legal abortion in the first trimester for ANY reason...got that?


...according to YOUR "Planned Parenthood" abortion-mill factory. Let's talk about the other 96% - what do you say about those?

..I have no problem with an abortion mill...this isn`t an emotional or moral or religious point with me..it`s merely a matter of allowing women to choose what they want to do with their bodies..that`s all.
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>-Paul



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