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Re: Response to Smarmy Dean
Posted by Dean (Guest) - Tuesday, August 31 2004, 2:22:34 (CEST)
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah parhad,

Go ahead and try to squirm around by bringing up irrelevant points (African Americans, etc. Try to dodge the point that I corrected you by using standard historic facts. Not church histories and not legends. The facts are the facts and you are wrong. Armenia is an example of a nation that willingly embraced Christianity without coercion. Very simple. Next ..

-Dean

parhad wrote:
>Dean wrote:
>>Hey Parhad,
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>>Your answer is NOT an answer and you have skirted the issue by re-phrasing your initial comment.
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>...I rephrased it because it best answered your non-point.
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> Armenia is a case you can not evade.
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>.it's also one you can't prove.
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> And I'd appreciate it if you'd elaborate on how a very high percentage of Armenians worldwide and within the boundaries of their nation have embraced (from ancient times) Christianity willingly and (this is important) and have no interest in resurrecting their pre-Christian past.
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>..you mean they don't have an explanation for it? Are they waiting on me to provide one? This is very strange.
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>..and THIS is important too...no Black Americans have any interest in resurrecting THEIR pre-Christian past...what does that prove? That American slaves embraced Christ willingly?
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>...I'm not skirting a damn thing..you can't say "What about Armenia" and expect ME to provide YOUR evidence for you. I have as the best evidence we'll EVER have the record of your church every time they got caught with their pants down "winning" someone over to Jesus...that you choose to go back so far in Time that ALL there is available to us now is the Church's own take on events...you want to call THAT evidence?
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>..I'm pointing the finger AT the church...for lying. You expect me to take their word for it that they aren't..in Armenia? Is that "Reason" to you?
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>...How much you want to bet if we didn't know the entire story...that the Church in America would tell me what you are about Armenia..."What about Black AFRICANS MR. PARHAD..how come they ALL converted to Christianity the MINUTE they came in contact with its ministers..and not a ONE of them today wants to go back to the jungle, or speaks Swahili...HUH...Mr. Slippery Parhad"???!!!
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>..Fortunately for the world we have ample evidence of exactly what your church did EVERY time it "won" converts. I remind you of your call to "Reason"..especially Reason that is NOT a Hypocrite..if in nine out of ten cases we see the violence and force the Church used to make converts, I said MAKE converts...and those nine are the most recent instances when your church KNEW someone was watching...how does Reason dictate that in the very beginning when they MOST needed "converts" and when there was no one around to rat them out for the REAL methods they used..how come THAT instance is one of Pure and True and Willing conversion? How do you extrapolate ONE instance that is atyppical..since that's all you have...and expect us to believe they were PURE then the ONE time and got Rotten SINCE?
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>...Since you're a devotee of Reason let me run this by you...you are caught on film "converting" your wife from White to Black and Blue all over...her straight nose has also been "miraculously" converted to two jagged pieces several times...and now she tells us you did it once before only there is no evidence...would it be Reasonable to think a. She 's lying because "where is the film"?...that she just made it up because wants to get you into more trouble. Or b. She wants the police to know there was another time in the beginning earlier than the record they have on flim. If Xrays PROVE she was indeed been beaten and her nose broken one other time and an earlier time than the film indicates...would it be Reasonable to assume the same bastard we see beating her nine times also did it the one earlier time...or do we believe HIM when he says, she fell down that one time and converted herself, "willingly".
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>>Next time your run into an Armenian, ask them "What religion were most Armenians before Christianity?" Most won’t know and won’t care, because according to them, Armenia has been Christian "forever"! And they are proud of that and secondly proud of their heritage and language.
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>...Black Africans have no idea about ANYTHING in trheir far more recent past, so thorough a job of trashing them did Christianity do...they too are now extrememely proud of being Christian..they have no idea what religion they were and would laugh at you if you expected them to go back to it...they also don't speak their language but the language of the Slavers from whom they got the religion and they're very glad to be in America, though they could wish America was more welcoming...just what does that have to do with the WAY Africans were forced into Christianity?
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>...That all Armenians today are Christians means nothing at all, except possibly that true to form the Church killed everyone else...it indicates nothing about how they BECAME Christian...they too have their fairy tales...and even when people have the brutal record right before their eyes they STILL cling to the religon of their opressors and murderers..it seems to me that says something daming about the religion, not anything to be proud of. We simply don't have an objective record...but we DO have an ample and blody record of what the church has done MOST of..based on that it is Reasonable to conclude, especially since you have only ONE case to enter, that they did the same damn thing but left no witnessess who could write.
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>The Spanish Inquisition was set up by the pope expressly to ferrst out those Jews who'd been forced to convert to Christianity but the church suspected of still being Jews at heart and at home...the Inquistion was supposed to find "insincere" converts. Does that strike you as funny or Holy? Had the Church managed in REALLY forcing those Jews to convert...there would have been no Inquisition needed...and the church would then say..."THose recalcitrant Jews FINALLY saw Jesus and his Love and converted willingly"..the very fact that there WAS an Inquisition proves there was forced conversion...which fortunately we know from other sources as well...it's just as likely the same kind of forced conversion was used 1,850 years ago, before CNN...and there are no survivors to tell it differently.
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>What Armenians say about being the first nation to "embrace" Christianity..and meaning by that they did it willingly and happily, isn't history either... It's THEIR Fairy tale and they're welcome to it...but that doesn't let you off any hook or give you the right to call someone names who will not buy YOUR Fairy Tale and make it his.
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>>Why don’t you take a moment and comment on this phenomenon? If you can? Let’s hear it Parhad! Let’s hear your best spin.
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>...It's no phenomenom at all...it's a fairy tale..and because they all say the same thing, you think it's History...seems to me you reached out and smacked yourself in your own head...Give us objective evidence..not the testimony of Slaves To Jesus.
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>..There's the Fairly tale of Abgar...what's the Armenian Fairy Tale? You haven't mentioned it yet...did it slippery your mind? As we can all see, to your five lines and single idea, I replied in great detail and with more ideas and examples...that's not a slippery thing to do..I'm trying to clarify the point because YOU seem intent on dancing around the implications..I'd appreciate it if you bothered to answer each point..a courtesy I afford you..not because you deserve it but just because I'm a polite kind of Pagan guy who takes people seriously and at their word..something we all learned was a gross mistake where Paul was concerned.
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>...and by the way..if the Armenians claim they were the first to convert..then they too converted to Judaism...not Christianity. YOU tell them that!
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>...and as a friendly suggestion...you may want to tone it down with the insulting names...I'm not the slippery one around here..you Christians do the same every time..you start out faking nice...then before you're done you call people names just because your insanity didn't take hold...get a grip and discuss the issues...prove I am slippery...don't just call me a name.
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>I'm waiting for your honest and clean response...Dean
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>>-Dean



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