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Re: The issue of Plagiarizing
Posted by Paul Younan (Guest) - Friday, August 13 2004, 1:41:36 (CEST)
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Hi Khizmie,

>Claiming descent from the Akkadians was the Jewish way of saying they are descendants of good stock and adding lustre to their names.

The Jews didn't come from Mars, Khon. Oraham and Sara came from Ur. That's why there are so many similiarities between Hebrew language and Akkadian language - Hebrew is descended from Akkadian because the Hebrew Patriarchs were Akkadians.

>I have no doubt that later on when our Empire expanded and we absorbed the desert area known as Israel into our Empire that they became a part of the Assyrian Empire. Then later on when King Sargon II resetlled the lost 10 tribes of Israel along the borderlands between the Assyrian heartland and the Urartu (Armenia) that they became fully Assyrianised.

There is no doubt about that. It is attested to by both Assyrian tablets and the OT.

>But it's obvious that we can't use the OT as a history book as it is filled with blatant plagarism and errors.

The OT is not meant to be used as a history book. It is a book of mostly stories which are meant to demonstrate spiritual points.

>Any high school student who looks at tablet 11 of the Epic of Gilogamesh will tell you that the Sumerian, Napushtim's Ark story was plagarised almost jot for jot in the pages of the Hebrew Bible, possibly when they were studying at our Univerisities and libraries.

Khounie, listen to me carefully please.

The flood story predates the Hebrews. Even the OT is clear on this. The first Hebrew was Oraham, from whom the name comes because he "crossed" the river and "Hebrew" means "cross over."

Now, as I said even the OT makes it clear that the story of the flood predates the Hebrews because Utnapishtim (Noah in Hebrew language, Nukh in Aramaic language) lived before Oraham and before there was any such thing as a "Jew."

Of course other cultures like the Sumerians and Akkadians (from whom Oraham and Sara came) who predated the Hebrews would have known about the flood, whether it was local to Mesopotamia or whatever it was literally. Of course this story was circulated throughout the Mesopotamian world in which Oraham and Sara and their families grew up.

Of course the Hebrews later wrote it down in a different language (Hebrew) which the name was changed into the Hebrew equivalent of Utnapishtim - Nuakh.

>How can we honestly and scholarly claim that the OT is THE original source when it clearly isn't?

The OT never claims it is the original source of the story, and neither do I Khizmie. It is simply the Hebrew retelling of their old ancestor's story about the flood and the ark.

They are related to the Sumerians and Akkadians just as much as we are.

>Also according to Prof. Simo Parpola the ancient Assyrians also believed in monotheisem. They beleieved that their supreme diety Ashur manifested himself in different personas and had different names in different cities. Our ancient ancestors didn;'t beleive in polytheism they also beleievd in an open form of monotheism.

I've read that article, yes. It's very interesting.

-Paul



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