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Re: response to dear lady :part two
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Friday, July 23 2004, 19:15:39 (CEST)
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Dalale wrote:
>If Assyrian-Christians are not the only descendants of the Ancient Assyrians, and there is no unequivocal genetic link, and Iraqi Muslims are as Assyrian as any Assyrian-Christians, then Iraqi Muslims and Christians are one people, who simple have different Religious Beliefs. Thus the Muslims should realize this actuality, and stop discriminating against Assyrian-Christians, defining us as a "minority" and giving us righ'ts based on our seven % (or so) population just because we are Christians!


...nowhere does it say a religious minority has to do anything for a minority. Afro-Americans are Americans...look how they are still treated. I donīt understand how you can get out of grade school and think anyone owes anbody anything. People discriminate against their OWN people all the time..over the silliest things. Why MUST Muslim Assyrians do ANYTHING for the Christian minority...you mean have NEVER killed or discriminated against the SAME people for differences in skin color, or gender or religion? Where does it say men MUST treat women as equals...but donīt we WANT them to? How did we get here...did progress come from DEMANDING?

..The boys have already said that if they donīt get the respect they feel they deserve, theyīll destroy it for everyone..never mind that they canīt tie their shoes let alone destroy anything..but the sentiment has been EXPRESSED..like a man who says he loves a woman so much that if she canīt be his heīd just as soon as kill than let her live a happy life away from him....this is love?

...Muslims know full well how the boys feel and it is for THIS they disrespect them and want them gone..and I feel the same way. The Christian religion is owed NOTHING in Iraq...Iīm still amazed itīs tolerated at all...imagine Muslim countries having attacked America as often as theyībe been attacked by a coalition of theiving murdering White Christians...do you really think any Muslim could DEMAND fairt treatment and a GUARANTEE of his Muslim rights? Really? As it is, after ONE attack Americans are convinced ALL of Islam ios out to get them..by focusing only on the extreme elemenst theyīre trying mightily to make the case that ALL Muslims are nuts..like tyhey lied about Jews for centuries...this is Racism of a tall sort and itīs headed in the same direction...imagine Nazis DEMANDING they be treated fairly by Jews.

They should realize that we are entitled to all right's any Iraqi-Muslim is entitled to, and this should be incorporated into the new Iraqi Constitution! There should be equality before the law in Iraq regardless of Religious Beliefs.

...we always were...you always forget Taria Azziz and Dr Donny George...not to mention my Christian father who was recruited to be the head of the Health Department in a Muslim Kuwait..in fact you people forget ALL exception to your RULE. The ones you are defending are the Christian skunks and low lifes who hide behind Christ...they get nothing...absolutely nothing...you also discount the liquor store owners who only NOW are being shut down and targeted..

We don't consider Iraqi Muslims Arabs Mr. Parhad, it is they who have been considering themselves and labeling themselves "Arabs" for generations.

...look...you really have to try to talk sense and not what you think suits this discussion..the main point the boys make is that ALL Muslims in Iraq are Uslurpers...foreign invadoers...from where ? THEY are the ones who call them Arabs. Iraqis donīt have "Arab" on their passports or nationality...this is your fiction...they were once trying to form a Pan-Arab league...but they all knew who they were...it was merely the language that held them together...they were Arabic Speaking PEOPLE each proud of his and her own country and customs..this is pretty low grade stuff youīre tossing out.

Muslims have more concern for the Arab cities Makka and Madina then any Ancient Mesopotamian city, especially the cities of the Ancient Assyrians.

...oh come on. Where does YOUR Lord come from...Nineveh or Bethlehem? Who stands to benefit from the destruction of Baghad...Baghdad or Israel?
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>The comment you made about Assyrians supporting America is not completely true. We are not the ones who welcomed America with open arms into the Middle East, it was Muslims who welcomes America into the Middle East for their own purposes! For example the Saudi's and Kuwaiti governments!

...Americans have ALWAYS been able to find local thugs...there are no Royal Families...there are tbial chieftans whom the United States found willing to benefit and all of them thiunking they could outsmart America.

You should share some of your philosophies with Muslims, maybe then they will stick together, rather then backstab each other at every opportunity. And Assyrians have every right to also try to align themselves with possible allies.

...of course they do...and theyīve been stabbing each other in the back like there are no more knives left. We can also see what these Allies have done to us..they use us for THEIR beneit..like your church used YOU to save IT...and you get it turned around into thinking it saved you..and will till the last one of you leaves.
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>There were no Assyrian people that supported sanctions on the Iraqi people. It was other Muslim countries who were afraid of Saddam who didn't care if thousands of Iraqi Muslim and Christian children died. Don't blame Assyrian-Christians for the actions of Muslim countries who cannot seem to support each other, but would rather allow foreign powers into their countries to defend one Muslim country from another Muslim country!

...I think you donīt much care what you say...Kanna himself is touring the country begging Bush to keep it up...as are all Assyrian organizations..I donīt know if youīre new to this or merely trying out some lies you hope will confuse people...ALL you Christians backed ANYTHING that would kill Muslims...
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>I have Muslim friends who reject Islam, and I have Christian friends who reject Christianity and I respect both their point of views! I am Christian because I choose to be Christian, but I am also Assyrian, and i'm sure Ashur and Jesus would have been great friends had they met, just like Gilgamesh and Enkidu, and i'm sure they would have no problem with Assyrians also being Christians!

...of course they would be friends..but Jesus has nothing to do with the religion..it is an Imperial Roman religion and your ancestors were forced into it as much as Blacks and Latins were....no one chose that nonsensense as no kid CHOSE Ashur...but the point is ONE religion CAME from the Assyrians..the other was an imposition...a covering for the skin..and thatīs EXACTLY why they have no soul where it comes to Ashur..just lip service.


Tell us of what Jesus said that Ashur might have disagreed with enough to hate Jesus? Did Mesopotamia not crucify Ashur as the Romans and Jews Crucified Jesus? Why do you think Nineveh fell?

...all empires fall..they exhaust themselves and give the good they develop to the rest...why did Hammurabiīs line fail? Nothing is lost..there is nothing lacking that leads one People to exhaust themselves in the service of humanity..they just get tired. Jesus said nothing new...I still canīt any Chrisdtian to tell me what he invented...without slandering our people..who had all Jesus said and LOTS more. The ONLY thing is the Jew Messiah business..and like I said 1000 times..the Assyrians had no NEED of a Messiah..they didnīt ned saving for another day, they didnīt need heavenly hosts, they HAD heaven on earth....Asur and Jesus would have agreed about rasing children, loving your parents, being honest...hell where do you think the Hebrews got their laws and any civilized behavior they EVER found? From us in the first place...but when Jesus said to neglect the things of this earth..to foucs on cleansing your sins etc for another day that is surely coming..Ashur would have demurred. His people were far too busy building THIS world and building it pretty damn well...and we can see what the Hebrews were doing then...and what they are doing today when someone backs them and arms them..and in NEITHER case would the people of Ashur done the same.
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>I wasn't brainwashed by some Church, and I have my own points of views on many issues regarding the Bible. For instance, I know that the stories in Genesis such as the Creation of the Universe/Mankind were taken from much earlier Sumerian Epics, and were not accurately translated. Some things I have read which I believe would most likely label me a nonbeliever, nontheless I could care less. The fact is, that God works in secret Mr. Parhad, and he did not reveal everything to the Jews in their Old Testament, and that is why the secret's of the Sumerian Epics were not all spilled, and even the Jew's could not figure out what exactly happened when the Universe was created and God created mankind and womankind in His image!

...Iīm sorry...your allegence is all to a Jew god..even as you admit they stole their best from us...it is unthinkable and unconscionable too to say or believe that Assyrians abandoned Ashur for THAT serial killer...we were as raped into Jesus as everyone else has been and ALL of us have been taught in one way or another to rationalize the effect or fudge the probablities...I wonīt play any longer.

>Concerning the Crusaders and their crimes against humanity, Western Christians who use Christianity however they see fit, the Roman Murderers who converted to Christianity, and Assyrians who pretend to be Christians, all these factors cannot change the fact that Jesus was against crime and never endorsed it in anyway.


...when did Ashur?

He said "If you live by the sword you will die by the sword" he didn't say go out and kill people for your own beliefs!

...he also said render unto Caeser...once youīve rendered your service, your money, your childrenīs lives and everything else of material value to the people who BROUGHT us this religion..people who were among the most Materialistic the world has sees....you can keep your souls and go to heaven..it was a very clever way to get us looking up while our pockets get picked..and thatīs all.


Jesus's words, and the love for all of mankind in his teachings are timeless. Even if nothing he said was "new"! The Assyrian sculptures you made were not completely new ideas. Did not Assyrians build such sculptures or similar artifacts in the past? Yet even though you recreated them thousands of years later, they are still amazing works of art. The same goes for Jesus's teachings, they may not be "new", they probably were rather "old" teachings, but wisdom is wisdom 6000 BC and 2004 AD, and can be repeated at anytime in history.

...of course...but the Romans didnīt pick up on Christ for his wisdom...they liked the religion because it has a powerful way of including every child born 1000 or 5000 years later in the collective guilt of HAVING to have a sweet lovely young man killed FOR THEM..and to seal their infamy has them eat and drink him. This makes your religion disgusting and a weasels way to benefit. Itīs instructive that you canīt get to heaven being as kind and decent as Jesus was..not if you donīt eat and drink him and run around saying he was KILLED for me! people who accept gifts that can come only through murder are incapabale of a decent act after that.
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>There are good Americans, Italians, Assyrians, Iraqi individuals, and there are bad ones, just like in every culture and Religion, there are good and bad people. Unfortunately Christianity has been used by powerful individuals to suit their own goals, which is why it is so easy for you to find many fault's in Christian Nations.

...thatīs been the basis of the support it receives....try to follow Christīs example and see if you donīt get crucified as well...so whatīs the point...to get killed? Or do you people ALSO pretend to be like Christ or attempting to be like him...so you can get the good feelings of trying to do the impossible...why is it impossible? Follow Christīs example...go chase the tellers out your bank for being money-lenders..it isnīt GODLY to do so..itīs within a humanīs capacity to do..not a miracle at all...copy Jesus and see what you get. Christianity, at its BEST, produces self-righteous hypocrites...which is EXACTLY who is attacking BetNahrain right now...YOU may think they arenīt real...ands they think YOU are phoney..and I say ALL of you are the greatest scourge this planet has seen.

You are judging the act's of human beings who said they were "Christians". If you want to judge Christianity fairly then judge the words of Christ, which are in the New Testament, and find fault in them, because his teachings are what Christianity is all about.


...whatīs to fault? He doesnīt like women too much and he seems a bit Puritannical...and he does threaten certain people with horrible punishment..but on the whole there is NOTHING remarkable in it at all...but that isnīt what makes it tick and hummand boom right along..itīs preciselņy what you can DO with his words..and if you can use his words to cover crimes, then his words are at fault.

There are also people who were Christians who devoted their whole life to all of the Human Race regardless of Religion such as Mother Teresa and others! Name one Muslim who gave up their whole life to work for peace and tend to the sick as Mother Teresa did?

...Mother Theresa was a Farcist Witch who LOVED poverty, for others....she hated the PEOPLE who were poor...friend to every dictator she ever met...travelling in private jets to clinics in order to keep her working for "Christ"...a bigger bag of pious bullshit one canīt image.
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>Is communism such a negative Political System on paper? Or did it become a negative system in the hands of Stalin and others? The philosophy of Communism is not the problem, it could have been heaven on earth in Russia, but in the hand's of human beings who crave power, money, and glory it can also be hell on earth, as Communism was for the Slavic Nations!

...not in Russia. Marx never intended a country as backwards as Russia to be the home of Communism...it canīt be imposed through violence..all the Russians did is trade one Tyrant for a party of 10,000 Tyrants. Like weīve traded ONE King George for an American dynasty of nasty Georgeīs He pictured England or Germany...because Communism EVOLVES from Socialism etc...not from Autocracy.
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>"Christianity the bloodiest religion the world has ever seen?"
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>****This is a false statement. There is no Religion that's primary principles and teachings are about killing, murder, and blood, and if there has been a "God" in history who promoted such actions then we can be sure it was a man pretending to be a God!


...of course there is...as pagans the Romans killed maybe 3000 Christians at most! There are letters extant from the Emperor Trajan to Pliny the Younger in which the Emperor basically tells his official to let Christian alone..under no circumstances to persecute them..but if they persist in their beliefs then ask them to also light a stick of insence to the Emperor and only if the refuse the equal godship of the emperor, then to put them in jail till they recant and if not, then execute them.

...As soon as the Romans become Christians they start killing heretics...and when the Reformation comes there is wild abandon in killing and killing and killing and ALL of it laid at godīs feet. After having killed and killed you still have the gall to say it isnīt the religion...what were Jews hounded for for centuries till you finally found the real Christian to kill them all? What was it that led to the murder of 6 million men , women and children if NOT the Christian Faith and it steachings..for which a pope just recently apologized...and how the hll do you apologize for something like that..and keep praying and having the authority to do so the next day? Christioanity is ABOUT murder..thatīs why you canīt take the good in Jesus but have to KILL him and EAT him and DRINK him too. This initiation rite into your Faith makes murdererīs accomplises and those who benefit in stolen goods of your children...it wonīt take much more to get them looking around for what else thery might benefit from..never mind how.

Even Islam is not as bloody a Religion as it's followers have made it throughout the ages. The problem is not as much in our Religious texts as in how humans interpret these texts to suit themselves. I cannot imagine the Hindu God cheering the Hindu's on when they and the Sikhs were slaughtering each other in India, nor the Christian God cheering on the crusaders, nor does the Jewish God cheer on the Jews in killing Palestinians today, nor did the Muslim God cheer on the Kurds, Arabs, and Turks when they were slaughtering Assyrian-Christians, nor does any God cheer on the killing of Iraqi children regardless of Religion. God is against killing of any kind and if he is not, then he is not a God. It is people who kill, not God. God gave us freedom of choice, he does not try to control us, we are responsible for our own actions, we cannot make God take the responsibility for things which we have done in his name!

..there is no god. There is what you do in his name...in your belief in him...of COURSE no religion is going to come and say these things...but all them survived as institutions BECAUSE of the murder of others..itīs been a race and competition and they ALL put out great brochures.
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>"Jews were NOT from Mesopotamia...they were in Judea eating bugs and scratching their behinds. Jesus is descended form the line of David who was decidedly not Sumerian but a minor Jewish thug and adulterer."
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>*********Jesus is from the line of David who is from the line of Abraham. Abrahams father was born in Iraq/Nippur, so Jesus ancestors were Sumerians. Just like Canadian people are originally of English, Scottish, Irish, French, Dutch, German descent. Jesus ancestors are of Mesopotamian descent!

....if youīre going to darw it that fine then weīre all one because we descended from Adam and Eve..this silly. Jesus was a Jew....he knew nothing of the Assyrians.
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>".You cannot call a medicine "useful" or "miraculous" if it saves ten people and kills 1000 who take it. Christianity has brought nothing new into the world ...Assyrian parents were loving their children, obeying laws, worshipping gods, believing in a higher morality..as were others around the world LONG before Jesus came. There isnھt a SINGLE attribute you can give him or any saying of his that was new or different...except the Jewish parts about a Messiah...and no one else NEEDED a Messiah back then more than Jews..and later Assyrians who turned Christian"
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>********There is no doubt that Assyrians were of a highly sophisticated civilization which strived to reach higher levels morality. Jesus wasn't born in the time when the Assyrians were prospering and living the high life, he didn't take us away from Ashur. Jesus was born after the fall of Nineveh in 612 BC. How many generations are there from the time of the fall of Nineveh to the time of Jesus's birth Mr. Parhad? Enough to search for a "new" God?

...the Jews who remained faithful, didnīt go searching...and no one had more reason to throw a god away...but the Assyrians?
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>"...what do you mean? They are supporting the actions of the United States..a Christian country." Not only Christian-Assyrians supported the United States, but also Muslims, the Kuwaiti government and so and so forth, and many other Muslim countries, most Christian-Assyrians supported the removal of Saddam and a better situation for all of the Iraqi people after his removal.
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>*********Christianity may have been forced by the Romans upon many peoples as Islam was forced on many peoples! Christianity was forced on the Natives by Europeans who came to the New World hungry for Gold, yet killed two unfortunate birds with one stone and "converted" the Natives to their version of Christianity. In my opinion the Natives Religion was closer to the spirit of Christianity then the European Christianity which they brought over and forced upon the Natives, who had never even heard of Christ.

...then whatīs so foreign to Ashur in Christianity that you canīt feel what you feel for a Jew? What does Christ have that is lacking in Ashur? Iīll tell you onwe thing...the Romans saw nothing "useful" in Ashur...and thatīs good enough for me all by itself.
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>Assyrians on the other hand converted to Christianity willingly and not by force.

,,,no they didnīt. Your church has been teaching this ever since the priests went with the Roman legions...of COURSE they had to tell the new crop of children this very early...Assyrians were as forcibly converted as everyone else. We KNOW no African came to America willingly..we also know HOW they were brutalized into making the trip and how they were used when they got there and we also know how Christian they are...how they pray and believe and love the god of their Slavers, the first ones to introduce them to this Jesus of yours...and yet try to convince them they are being unfaithul to their very souls in following Jesus..theyīll tell you eactly what youīre saying and yet they KNOW the story...so I can guess that even if you KNEW your ancestors ahad been forcibly converted, you too would continue and "worship" the god of others over your own..as you are doing now.


We went out into the world to spread Christ's teachings, our Church was one of the first Christian Churches founded, and we never converted anyone to Christianity by force, we even turned down some fellas such as Chingis khan and his crew who wanted to convert to Christianity but were not permitted since a Nestorian Patriarch declined their request! The Muslims of course accepted Chingis Khan with open arms, they must have had something in common!

....you take Hitler. And Bush. This is silly. You could have spread the teachings of Ashur..as we did. While you went away to spread a Jew religion the rest of us stayed, and adopted Islam and built another magnificent empire...we MADE empires, you taught people how to endure the ones imposed on them.
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>"Had we kept faith with Ashur we would have been in a far different and far better place today"
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>**********When did we leave Ashur? Our Empire fell 612 BC, everything was downhill from then on, could it be that Ashur left us?

...the Jews never felt that way about Yahwe....the Assyrians worth a damn fought to the bitter end..you can see from the offspring around us that our ancestors ran to hide under rocks..the Assyrians worth a damn all died in defense of Ashur.
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>"Iraqi archaeologists are respected professionals in their field whoھve headed digs, published in journals around the world, written books and delivered lectures...they have ALWAYS revered and respected our common heritage."
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>**********I'm sure there are great Iraqi Archeologists and I know many Iraqi-Muslims who are great educated people who care a lot about their country. Assyrians should be given all the right's Iraqi-Muslims, Kurds, and Turkoman will be given in the new Constitution of Iraq. We are not third, forth or fifth class citizens! With these rights and equal opportunity for Christians in Iraq Assyrians will be encouraged to study in the field of Archeology, Assyriology etc, and they will also head digs, publish in journals around the world, write books and deliver lectures!

...no one ever stopped an Iraqi. The ones who stopped themselves, the backward and illiterate with a chip on their shoulder believing they failed because Christ wonīt be given his place back..those people wouldnīt have gotten anywhere anyway..they are crybabies wherever they are...find a qualified professionsl who was denied a job because he was Christian or Assyrian .
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>"...What was done in Chicago must produce a smile in Iraq when Muslims consider that once "free" to be Assyrian..the best you people could do, as ONE "Nation", was to STOP the installation of an Assyrian monument, going so far as to SUE them if they dared do such a thing..and this one jackass Assyrian is allowed to get away with saying that installing the monument a block and a half from the Oriental Institute is unacceptable to HIm because college kids play frisbee and picnic there...while you do nothing but build churches and sing the praises of Yahweh and his kid..what could PROVE to them better than anything they could have dreamed up that you are NOT Assyrians in any meaningful sense of the word...just Christians using Ashur where it suits you. "
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>**********In my opinion the Oriental Institute would be a great place to install the monument, since so many college student's from all over the world who attend the Institute will be able to see it! I have spoken once to Mr. Nimrod at the Convention which was held in Detroit. I was talking to him about Zachariah Sitchin's work which he seemed to be interested in. It's sad to hear that these issues haven't been resolved yet, and I hope any God who would like to help in this department will do so, quick!

...I believe the spirit of Shumirum is at work even now. As satisfying as it would have been to have installed the monument years ago...the monument has been a device for shedding some badly needed light on just how these people work..who they really serve etc. This was a MONUMENTAL project in every way...not just in bronze.
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>******Unfortunately the Assyrian Nation is one of those Nations where everyone in the community want's to be King, and whenever they see people from their own Nation getting ahead they want to pull them down as quickly as possible. No wonder Ashur left us!

..it is not a nation...not even close. I will use the language as sane and wise people understand it..I have no desire to speak the language of Hanna or Jassim..thereīs a good reason they throw people and ideas out and make no sense anywhere but in their closets....this is not a nation...you are sects.
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>"you obviously donھt have Ashur in your heart...Assyrian was a religion before it was a nationalism or empire...if you remove an Assyrian from your heart and put a Jew there...what kind of an Assyrian does that make you?"
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>*******It's very difficult for me to choose Jesus over Ashur or Ashur over Jesus. Jesus was a descendant of Mesopotamia, he was not the foreign Alien you make him out to be.

...he was a Jew...he said so. For you try this hard to give him Sumerian ancestry..wjhile Aprim struggles equally hard to deny Kurds Semerian or Indo-Europpean ancestry is interesting..Iīd say you people will say anything that serves your purposes..and that purpose still has at its core the removal of Ashur from our names....and lives.


Nonetheless I am more familiar with Jesus's teachings then with Ashur's teachings. I have read a lot about the Ancient History of the Sumerians, Assyrians etc. I have unfortunately never come across a complete chapter which explains to me anything specific about what Ashur believed, as you know there are not many document's regarding Ashur's philosophy on life and religion!

...yes there are..they are under lock and key..as the same Jewologists kept the Dead Sea Scrolls to themselves for 50 years and then the word got out through a ploy...they are trying to protect their franchise and a big part of theat is not revealing just how much of BetNahrain gave the Jews what you now tell us we should drop the Master for to follow a pupil. They want what you want..to keep Ashur in his place so their Jew carepenter can be a god over us as well...sorry.
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>"There is no Aryan=Type...there is no Assyrian=Type. This is discredited Fascist PURITY OF BLOOD. You just lead a sheltered life where your family were the only Assyrians you saw. We have Chaldeans who have green eyes and red hair and creamy skin you wonھt find in Ireland...we have pure blonde blue=eyed Assyrians we have Assyrians with marked Mongolian features..we have every kind of Assyrian there is on this planet in "Types"...there are Mexicans here in Mexico who look more Assyrian than I do. This is merely Racist thinking...there are no TYPES. We resemble LOTS of people and LOTS of people could have walked off those wall carvings."
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>************That's true, I only made this comment to see if I can get away with it!
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>"you have no way of knowing that Arab music wasnھt Assyrian originally...hell, we call Arab any Assyrian who SINGS an Arabic song. There are many words we think of as having come into Assyrian from Arabic...that were ours to begin with...you have no way of knowing how those instruments were used by our people originally...the instruments were the same and Iھm sure the music shared lots of similarities. How many times can you repeat Hail Mary full of grace? really..you must not make light of the ridiculous beliefs of others when yours can so easily be ridiculed."
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>*******Nice try Mr. Parhad, I wasn't speaking of Arabic Music such as the music Nathim Ghazali or Sa3dun Gabir play/sing! I even listen to Arabic Music! I was talking about Muslim music "Alah ow Akbar" of today, it is hardly similar to Ancient Assyrian music, since as you say Assyrians do "nothing" Assyrian, neither do Fanatic Muslims who you consider Assyrian while calling us merely Christians!

...you still have no way of knowing Assyrians didnīt call the people to prayer by an equivalent..such as "Ashur is Great".
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>"wishing wonھt do. Calling off this war and paying indemnities and apologizing would be a good first step. We always had it in our power to teach and show by example...the American PEOPLE have not been hated yet..itھs their government that is despised increasingly. If we really had any good faith we could lead by example and prevail upon all the people of BetNahrain to follow a better path...realizing that Saddam was kept in power by America and used until no longer needed...it has been OUR meddling in their lives for the benefit of the same handful of Corps who savage us and ruin our environment and blight our lives back home that has caused the greatest damage. We are in no position to export democracy...we donھt know what it is any longer. The first step is to get out. If there has to be a bloodbath then we need to stay out of it...that goes for selling them weapons as well. You canھt control or shape a Peopleھs destiny..which is what we say we are doing, only by guiding them into our pockets. After the bloodbath, if it must be...they might be in a mood to compromise...and they might even avoid it altogether. No new countries need to be formed if people living everywhere will be respected.,...but that means the Western Powers have to stop playing their favorites game of divide and conquer..they have to stop meddling to give one side promises if theyھll do as theyھre told and then whispering something else into another faction, or the governmentھs ear. People think with a nation theyھll be in a better position to defend themselves and keep their cultures alive...they wonھt be any more secure as nations..it didnھt save Iraq...and if their cultures could be respected where they are, they might not chase the holy grail of nationhood..or triangularhood."
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>***********So you have even heard of the Holy Grail!? Have you heard that the pieces of Osiris which Seth cut up in Ancient times, and hid all over the world have almost all reincarnated throughout the Aquarian Age? One of them St. Francis of Assis, and all of them sharing the zodiac sign of Leo or another important planet in Leo! Well anyways these are just a few fairy tales I have read in my search for "truth".

...the truth is people need fairy tales...if they do, we say the Assyrian people should have Assyrian fairy tales..not Jewish ones, evenb if they were stolen from us and garbled in translation to give themselves all the leading roles.
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>"There is nothing in being Assyrian that demands a triangle..not when we have an entire country..."
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>**********There won't be an "entire" country when a Kurdish State is declared.

...sure there will. Just as the Irish who move to England are still Irish, living their lives. Kurds are Muslims, they had no place to run to...your Christianity has made you welcome everywhere in the world and unwelcome in Islamic countries...increasingly so for which you have only yourselves to blame....thank Yahwe some more that he made it that much easier for you to get lost in Christian countries..the Kurds stayed and fought..if they win it all they are merely doing what everyone else has done...no crime there at all. Live with them or leave..thatīs freedom.
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>"Our boys donھt want mutual respect..they want BLOOD. To them any rights...including full equality, under a Kurdish state or government is anathema."
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>*********You and I, and everyone know that "FULL EQUALITY" under a Kurdish state is very unlikely because the Kurds are not the "FULL Equality" types.


...I donīt see Assyrians extending any equalkity on a FORUM to OTHER Assyrians..what are you talking about?

They are happily stealing lands which are not their own, where is the equality in such actions?

...stealing land is okay in international law..the Jews just did it and still are and this theft is okay with people the world over...none more so than the United States...I donīt understand why you think itīs significant that the Kurds are stealing land...who hasnīt?


They will declare a Kurdish State, import all the Kurds from all over the world, and we are supposed to live peacefully and happily with them right? Will you move to this Kurdistan?


..I wouldnīt move to Turlock. I wouldnīt live close to any Assyria run by the types of people whoīd go there..and none of them will.....

I doubt it! We are not the people who committed the crimes against the kurds in Halabcha! Why should we pay for crimes that Muslims committed against Muslims?

...this is silly. You wonīt get a triangle and they all know it..this argument means nothing anywhere that counts for anything..itīs meant to justify the strategy of ruining it for the rest of them...I may not want to live in Iraq ever..but I sure as hell will visit Kurdistan..what do I care what the name is...Iīm not fooled by people calling themselves "Assyrian" either.
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>"the boys are mapping out a triangle...Iraq was mapped out by the British after being mapped out by the Turks..if the Kurds pull it off they are merely following accepted practice for International Mapping. You donھt have to like it or approve but why does that matter anywhere?"
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>********They can map out anything they want, a triangle, a rectangle, a hexagon! If the Kurds can map out a Kurdistan in land's which are not their own, why should they not map out a triangle in their own homeland, in the Ancient Heartland of Assyria?

...because you people have nothing to do with any heartland...those who are there fighting to take it get to deicde, not the rest of you whining from everywhere else.
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>"...it matters a great deal what god you believe in...it was all the world to the Assyrians...and we helped invent half the worldھs civilization with Ashurھs inspiration and guidance...where today we are beggars."
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>*********Ashur's words have been lost, no one knows what he thought or believed exactly. If you do know, please let us know what his philosophy on life, love, war, peace, brother/sisterhood, death and all of the other questions that mankind want's answered which are usually answered through their religion.

...I wonīt ruin a mystery..this is one "religion" that canīt be imposed..it has no ritual and no comforting promises...you know when you know..and it will show.



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