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Re: time-warped Paul
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Thursday, August 26 2004, 0:02:09 (CEST)
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Paul Younan wrote:
>>...those followers of Muhammad did nothing for a year and a half while they were being pounded into the ground by a Christian United States,
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>Of course they didn't, they were too busy having the shit kicked out of them.

...considering they are our people and did nothing to anybody to deserve it...thank you.
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>>...with the help and support of OUR Christians...it is only reasonable to expect retaliation when you are bombing their mosques...
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>I am not bombing their mosques. But they are bombing my churches. You're too stupid to realize that.

...you know you are...you simply pay the assassin and think no one notices.
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>>...and far more than fifteen Christians have been killed by CHRISTIANS...who did that....Allah?
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>Fifteen in one shot, asshole. You really want to tally up the number of Christian Assyrians killed by (a) Muslims and (b) Western Christians....over the last 1,400 years? Are you insane?


...you mentioned the churches...so I assumed you meant in Iraq recently...take a breath every once in awhile...far more Christians have been killed by Christians and forced to run from BetNahrain because of an illegal war brought by Christians..these things never happened under Saddam..and had the Christians not attacked Turkey for their oil fields and had Britain not attacked Iraq and found you boys willing to work for them...there would have been no Muslim "massacres" of Christians...these tragedies came with Western Christianity dating back to the Crusades...like they came again bringing war to more innocent people...do you really think you can remain untouched by this much injustice and vioence brought by your RELIGION...against a RELIGION?

>>...when I say "we"...I mean all of us...all of us Muslim Assyrians also..I don't care what they SAY...I care for who they ARE and they are as much the descendants of the Assyrians as any Christian there is.
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>There is no way for you to prove that YOU are an Assyrian, let alone Arabic-speaking Muslim Iraqis who call themselves Arabs. Who are you trying to kid? You're no Assyrian - you're a Jew whose rebelling against his God Yahweh.

..you have no way of proving anything about yahwe or Jesus either...it is a fair assumption the people of BetNahrain also turned to Islam as we've seen them do in recent history and are doing in increasing numbers around the world and in America...and no one is forcing them, if anything they are taking an increased risk for following their conscience...whether there is or isn't an Allah I'll leave to them...but what they inspired in the Arabs is evident to all...

...the evidence..other than your bible..of what Islam achieved after coming to Betnahrain and inspiring our people to join it speaks for itself...there is no way Arabs of the desert could have built the Great Islamic Empire...it was no acident that Baghdad, the capital city of islam as wellas the most magnificent city of its day anywhere, was built over Babylon in BetNahrain...and that the Arabs didn't build their capital in Mecca or Medina says it all...says far more than your attempt to prove Jews must be Assyrians because ONE Mesopotamian prevert moved there to build a "colony"....what the Arabs were able to build was also not a zzzzzzz'colony" of Arabia..or it would have looked like Arabia...filled with tents and mud huts...your Abraham built and lived like a Jew...because that's what he became...he did NOT build or inspire as a Mesopotamian would..as we inspired the Arabs to build..we were NOT their "scribes"...we led them.
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>>...they are? You are being very foolish...step back a bit and see what you are saying...when the world catches up and realizes what happened..well...were Christian Nazis consoling Jewish mothers? This is another Holocaust of your church's doing...
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>My church? The Church of the East is doing this? You're a fool and you are desperate to draw a link where none exists.

...as I have said several times...and which you have ignored as often...if you support this war on "terror" against innocent Iraqis...who also did nothing to anyone...if it is okay for innocent Muslims to be killed...for their mosques to be bombed because they are ALL as you say they are...then you can't expect Muslims to carefully sift out facts before retaliating...it is indeed YOUR church...because YOUR church gets its support ultimately and hopes to get more of it, from all the WRONG churches you people are looking to and calling upon to come save your REAL but useless churches...surely even your church recognizes guilt by association...else why were all the children of Soddom and Gommorrah killed...for their association to their parents...NO ONE is innocent.
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>>...these same hatreds you feel so comfortable expressing against Muslims were the same ones German and other Christian thugs used against the Jews as an excuse to murder them...
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>Except that the Germans weren't slaughtered by the Jews for 1,400 years - DICKHEAD. The analogy you are trying to make is *ridiculous*.

...I am saying your hate speech comes from the same source...the Jews did nothing to anyone to deserve the way Christians treated them either and then murdered them...they did NOT kill Jesus...those who would make a business of his corpse did..no matter what St. Mel says.

...the Muslim Assyrians of Iraq did NOTHING to anyone..yet YOUR churches have been screaming for this war.
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>>...the focus has just shifted to your next axle of Evil...that's all...and the day will soon come..because I'll work for it...when you will be hauled into court for this kind of hate speech..as readily as you can be for making these sorts of comments about Jews...
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>The Islamic world has no one but itself to blame for this mess.

...that's waht you people said to the Jews..that you were merely giving them what they deserved..if your comment is true then the United States has no one but itself to blame for the attacks on New York..and oddly enogh..now that we know they KNEW it was coming...this is true.
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>>...this is not the way...you are more of an embarrassment than a help..you hardly make Christianity look appealing...besides if you weren't a liar you'd do it with him in private...your aim is to put your garbage on an Assyrian site..and you're most welcome...it's odd that we can't put our Assyrian Heritage on your Christian sites...always remember, you are allowed full freedom to trash me, my art, my ideas, my beliefs, my god, my Muslim brothers and sisters, my Heritage...that's because I'm Assyrian...we couldn't say any of this stuff or anywhere near it even on those sites that are NEITHER Christian NOR Assyrian..just a cheap Front for yahwe.com.
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>And what YOU are doing is the way? To go to a vastly Christian people and attack their entire heritage for the last 2,000 years?

..it is because you are VASTLY Christian that you people have been the scourge to this planet you have been...your branch is now calling for the blood and destruction of BetNahrain as well....only you pay and direct others.
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>>...it is a Christian heritage, so take exception...you've done that already...why the continued onslaught? Is it really Tiglath you're aiming the vaseline ads at?
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>No, those are aimed at you. Tiglath has an open mind as I do - you're beyond any reason.

...you just said you were talking THROUGH me to Tiglath and that you wouldn't WASTE your time on me...?
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>>...not at all...those are our brothers and sisters who went on to create yet another great empire under the inspiration of Allah...
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>Bullshit. Those Caliphs were self-styled descendants of Muhammad (cbuh).

...and you claim to be descended from Jesus...or Jesus from Abraham...and so we're all one! Caliphs can claim whatever their religion needs them to in order to legitimize something in that religion..as you have tied to legitimize out betrayal of Ashur by saying Abraham is Assyrian so therfore we are really them anyway...everybody has their tricks.
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>>...it is not unusual for brothers to fight each other...as your Christians have killed more Christians than anyone else ever did...
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>Not my Christians. You forgot to mention the Puritans again.

...your Christians kill each other all the time and have..it was your Christian who killed your Patriarch...are we talking numbers again? Does it really matter how much money a whore gets paid..or how much he'll do for one check? isn't the point that she or he IS a whore?
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>>...yet all pray to one god.
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>Bullshit. Muslims would like for simple-minded folk like you to believe that. We don't pray to Allah - their Allah is not a Trinity of Qnome, and to them Meshikha is not His son.

...that's why Muhammad said god...yahwe...called upon him..to come and set those people straight..and he did...Islam has noweher near the violence and blood and guts embedded in it Judaism has...and then less so than Christianity...which has as its centerpiece human sacrifice, ritual murder, cannibalism and vampirism..any sane person would want to clean your act up..or get you to move.
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>Nice try.
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>>...Muslims respect Jesus and always have...
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>They respect Him by denying what He said about His Divinity, and by slaughtering his followers and by turning the Hagia Sophia into a Mosque.

...Like I said you Christians, of ONE faith and ONE god...have killed more Christians than anyone else has, it is commonplace for brother to kill brother..even in the same religion ...it is also common for brothers of different religions to kill each other, as your religion has shown...stop acting so outraged. How many times do I have to say it before you'll deal with it? Americans killed more Americans in their Civil War than anyone else ever did...there is nothing unusual in Assyrian Muslims killing Assyrian Christians...
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>Good thing they liked Him.
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>>...what they will NOT tolerate is being betrayed FOR Jesus...that isn't Christ's fault...it's YOUR cheap trick...
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>We're not betraying anybody - we just want them to leave us the fuck alone. We don't want their religion and we don't want the religion of the west, either. They can both go to hell.

...you betrayed them in the past...and did it just now...your churches supported this war that sent other people there to kill for you...they want YOU to leave them alone..they didn't attack any Christians..Christians attacked THEM. You're a fine one to come asking them to leave you alone now...while your church and all its members are STILL asking Bush to stay and get the "job done". What job?
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>>..The Turks protected us and the Jews and gave us more autonomy than we'll ever have..
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>Bullshit. Tamerlane, the Turk, killed more Christians than Hitler killed Jews and Stalin killed Russians....combined. Learn your history, simple man.

...I'm speaking of the Millet system recently...in the days before the First World war...not about the distant past..also I'm refering to the Ottoman Turks who are still alled by European hsitorians the "Gentlemen of the Medeival Age"..that would be the same time you peolel were burning Giordano Bruno...and the Pope was paying the Turks to attack the French King...and another pope sent gold to Suleiman the Magnificent to murder the Empereor Frederick II...to whom the Sultan showed both the letter and gold..before retutning both to the Holy Father in Rome...who came to hate Fredeerick all the more when he learned Arabic and befriended Suleiman and was therefore able to achieve more concessions for the Christians in his empire than any Crusade ever did...what hsitory are YOU talking about.
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>>...but like I said...till you start providing some substance..I'm not going to keep repeating myself...with you posting ten words as a "response".
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>It's not my fault that you take ten paragraphs to make one point by jumping all over the place and mentioning Puritans. My words are powerful - ten of them are the equal of paragraphs of nonsensical ranting from you.

..okay...have it your way...who has the time to have a my dick is bigger than your dick contest with you? The people who read here must not mind my rambling...if they did they wouldn't bother...how many people read at your Pisheeta?
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>>...The fact that Assyrian Muslims found occasion to kill Assyrian Christians is no more shocking than French Christians killing French Christians...
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>Except that Assyrian Christians never killed Assyrian Muslims, except in cases of self-defense.

...you were in the minority as soon as Islam came...I wonder why...it has taken you this long to find Christians willing and able to kill your people for you.
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>>...in fact it's even more noteworthy that although of two DIFFERENT religions..Muslim Assyrians have been so tolerant and forebearing...striking out only when absolutely necessary and not travelling halfway round the world to kill innocent anybodies.
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>Only "when absolutely necessary" has been, on average, every 50 years - Asshole.

...give me some substance, you Christians gave us two world wars in twenty years...these comments of your's can of course stay here...I'm not going to delete them because I "don't like them"....I just don't find them worth this tit for tat with you yapping at my heels...put something of substance here and we'll see...otherwise anything you want to say is welcome..I'll do what we asked the others to do...pass.
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>>...we are trying to alert you and the world that many many more Christians there have been killed by Christians..
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>That's the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard. No one, I mean NO ONE, has killed more Christian Assyrians than the Muslim.....NO ONE.

...they are Muslim ASSYRIANS...no one has killed more Christians than Christians..if Assyrians decide to have a religious war now and then..it's no more than Europe engaged in for 100 years and more...take it easy...
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>>...and that you people are trying to suppress that information...
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>We are not supressing anything, we are coming back with the actual facts. And those facts are: No one, I mean NO ONE, has killed more Christian Assyrians during the last 1,400 years (including Jizya Sanctions) than the Muslim.....NO ONE.

...your forums will not deal with these facts...I'd call it suppression when Tiglath is banned repeatedly for trying to educate people.
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>>...we are speaking for EVERYONE there..not just the Christians..
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>You are speaking for EVERYONE there EXCEPT the Christians. You are cheering their destruction on with your "I told you so's". That's what you are doing.

...my words don't math 14 years of Sanctions and the bombs and bullets and diseases and uranium Christianity brought...I am merely pointing out the onvious..and the Iraqi Muslims and Christians agre with us..it is outside Christianity that they blame...are they mistaken also?
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>>...by their own words both Christian and Muslim Iraqis said they blame outsiders for this violence and we just found out, because none of you told us, that Muslims are neighbors to our churches there and firends to the people of the churches and support them and grieve with them at what you foreign Christians have done to all of them.
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>Right - FOREIGN Christians. Those who attacked Simele weren't FOREIGN Muslims. Those who attacked Hakkari and Urmi weren't from Indonesia. And back in 1846, no Muslims came from Africa to attack the Tyari people.

...you are forgetting or don't want to mention that those were reactions to wars and invasions brought to those people by Christians..again..and that then, as now...there were Christians willing to collaborate and as the Iraqis just showed the world, they will kill ANYONE, Muslim or Christian, who collaborates..Americans would too.
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>You are a fool of unimaginable proportions.

..I hear that all the time....I also hear you have no time to waste.
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>>...before that, Christianity robbed you of the ability to live life on earth...with no Islam in sight you people are ripping each other aprt in America and elsewhere..
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>We Christian Assyrians were ripping each other apart in America and elsewhere....? Come again?

...yes...loo at you all...dividing and dividing and calling each other names...what do you call it..unity?
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>Stay on topic, Fred. I know it's hard for someone like you with Attention Deficit Disorder...but try, or get medicated.
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>>...again for these insane divisions placed among you...
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>And not among Muslims? Have you ever heard of the Shits, Sunnys, Sufis, Wahhabis, Allawis, Druze, etc?

...sure I have...those too are mostly Assyrians and Islam is their religion...leave them alone and they won't bother you.
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>>...no Muslim stopped the Shumirum..it was Christians who did that...
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>As well he should of. I'll invite him over to smash up my Lamasu as well....I'll take pictures and post them here on your website - how about that?

...go ahead...it only helps us in the end.
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>>...the religon of Islam was welcomed by the vast majority of our people for which they have become your mortal enemies...
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>Bullshit. Islam conquered by the scimiter - by the same dagger that Muhammad (cbuh) killed all the Jews of Medina by.

...that's what your religion says as a way to excuse itself...Heraclitus killed all Jews who wouldn't convert...The Inquisition hounded others to death...there is no evidence for forced conversion, except in your church's lying history...Jesus didn't fly to heaven either..as the majority of the people in the world know. yet we know what your church did in the New World and Africa..your own church didn't have the means to force anyone...not once the Muslims came andp ut an end to your violence and bickering.
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>You are an uneducated dummy.

...I know..it shows.
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>>...considering what you do to your OWN people if they stray from Christianity to Christianity..
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>What has the Church of the East done to people who have strayed to other forms of Christianity? I'm curious.

...Look...there is a Sufi sect more pacifist than anything you have...ALL Islam is being Targeted by ALL Chritianity..including your church TODAY..when I discuss Christianity and its nasties I am talking about dominant Christianity...I will concede that you people are good for committing suicide and hiring others to kill for you..okay? From now on I am discussing dominant Christianity...with you as a sidekick..I'm not interested in your picayune church...except insofar as it uses my Heritage as a Front...these are separate topics...I already said you boys killed hardly anyone back then..and that those of you killed paid the price for Dominant Christianity starting with the Crusades...and that the Muslims who killed you were as Assyrian as you were..it was a family thing very common in the world and in families...go to another groove on your recording.
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>>...it is no wonder you would wish to murder those who left your nuthouse altogether...look at what Jassim put his siter through...I also had a first cousin...sister to my brilliant cousin Irma, who killed herself because she committed the crime of loving a Muslim...you people and your Jewish insanity have about run us off the face of the earth...we have begun to fight back.
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>I'm sorry about your relative.

...I'm sorry about what your Christians said about yours...
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>>...you dont need to...your yahwe has done the job..thank Ashur most of us turned to Islam at least and are today defending BetNahrain...not from Allah...to whom you don't pray for strength, but they do...but from yahwe...whom YOU pray to and who has your full loyalty.
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>No, Allah finished conquering Beth-Nahrain. It will be somebody else's tomorrow. And the world turns, as Ashur is forgotten as he forgot us. As we oppressed people, so now we are oppressed. Tomorrow it will be someone else, but the story is the same.


...obviously Ashur is not forgotten..obviously some people of Assyrian descent cared enough to part with their cash to honor his memory..obviously America also saw fit to honor his achievements...nothing is forgoten...you'll see in the years to come.
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>-Paul



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