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This Turk hates Liberals

Posted by Ninos (Guest) - Monday, July 19 2004, 1:58:18 (CEST) from - Windows XP - Internet Explorer Website: Website title:

Subject: What is new on Fah.9/11??? Alpaslan Senarslan Berkeley,2004 This text was originally Turkish and written long time ago than Fahrenheit bullshit, then I decided to translate it into English and added some extra parts for the new readers. I really wanted my real friends to read this.Maybe you will hate me, but honesty would require that. I hate liberals in US, yes I hate you guys. I don’t believe you are genuine and sincere including M.Moore who is a fucking clown. And I am not sure you guys really know what you are fighting for. During my 3 years in US, this land became a sociology lab for me, I came across lot of interesting, weird things, good things as well..... I met with smart people especially in the school, I also met with intellectual Americans who never heard about F.Zappa or Rockefeller. When I went back from US to Ankara 4 months ago,Kerry was on the TV, and I showed him to my mom and said. “This is a good guy” and she asked, what makes him different? I really felt like a flashback to college years when I was a total anti-American. What would be the difference? If he wins the election then, US will stop bombing people? If he wins, it’s not going to be Halliburton, Bechtel or Texaco? If he wins are they going to stop supporting our fascists? When I first came to the States, I had already known a lot about the life here. I had known what people eat, watch, listen. I had already known what they teach and don’t teach to Americans in the schools. But they did not know me at all. As a Middle Eastern person (damn!!! why don’t they teach us that in our schools that we are actually from middle east, that’s what people call Turks here but you can call us as, Muslim, European, or a member of barbarian brutal culture, or a guy from a country where Americans always get tortured in the prison)..I had known a lot except two things. I had thought that the Americans do not really care about physical appearance of a person which was a wrong impression. It was interesting that first time in my life, somebody called me white,then another called me nigger, then somebody told me that I am not white enough to be white. And second, I had not known that 90 percent of the Americans are perfect role players. No don’t take it as an offence…What’s wrong with saying hello to a person ,.or smiling to person that you really don’t like or you really don’t care. We brutal cultures never do that, that’s true people don’t smile at your face in Turkey. It was easy to make a friend there, when I meet with people. I was usually calling and introducing my self as a foreigner but not a student. Then, they were asking` that where I was from? Then they were always asking if I was going to stay here? Anyways, the purpose of this letter is not making comparison or drawing American life profile. But, this was a strange question to me why were they asking this?. I never asked this kind of question to my Irish and British friends in Ankara? I was not originally from here why would I stay here?, or do I have to?, then what should I tell them? I made a lot of friends who define themselves as Liberals not in the school but in the work place mostly. They were very nice and always smiling. It did not take me a long time to figure out the difference between the fake hellos, howdys and smiles and the real ones. But It took me almost 3 years to figure out the difference between the real ones and the genuine ones (considering my prior psychology degree, they really got me, they were god damn good). By the time I really understood my intellectual, liberal, democrat….etc. real friend who drinks next to me, was actually pity for me and look over me as a poor Mexican who jumped into the US border to find a better life. By the time I really understood my real liberal friend who walks out with me in Anti war protests was not walking for the people who had been ignored, neglected for centuries because of their culture and religion, but actually walking out for his budget cuts because of war. They All resulted in depression and shock. Were you guys, while Saddam was gassing people? While 50 thousand of them were escaping to Turkey in 90`s. I saw some them burnt, poisoned in hospitals in Ankara. Where were you? when our army was burning villages in the southeast while Lockheed was selling Black Hawks to us. Were you tasting another wine or watching another Christian hero in the movies? Or listening your brave soldiers’ fake victories? brave soldiers ,those who could not even defeat unarmed 3rd class Ottoman peasants in Iraq. …………..or you were mourning holocaust victims instead. We already know well, how you guys can become sensitive human beings when the victims are Jewish or Christian. Excuse me liberals including Mr. Moneymaker Moore, I don’t believe your fake sorry for Iraqi people including minorities Sunnis Shiites, and Kurds. I don’t and won’t believe your fake and artificial attention to those people!!!! Shame on You!!! We heard you are making good money upon new victims? Do you ever think investing your fresh money in Iraq?. Maybe you are going to use it in Kerry`s campaign. Then this movie must be called a fundraiser thing. I have been listening NPR,KPFA,KQED and following Chronicle and NY Times all week. They All disgust me. They are categorizing people as Kurds, Arabs…etc. describing their living styles, they keep mentioning shiites` values, Turks` heritage in the region blah blah…again and again and again all day, all week. Witnessing this so called” liberal” ignorant racist, one sided westerner overlook upon other culture in the news and the radios everyday reminds me watching an American made “Documentary about Wild life”. This is insulting and it makes me crazy. You fellow crusaders, I would congratulate you all for your new discoveries.(for those new life forms in Iraq) Your decades of ignorance and negligence toward East are responsible for this tragedy not Bush. You have created this divided world, your ignorant and undermining attitudes and doubled standards created Islamic fundamentalists not Bush. Stop blaming him; he is doing what he has to do and what a Sultan of an empire would do which is basically bribing his citizens in order to suppress their reactions, by all means necessary. I will tell you what I believe, I don’t like you, I don’t believe your empires` rationale of existence, I don’t like its fake democracy and freedom, from Jefferson to present. I hate your so- called intellectuals and their trademark culture. I am sorry but I don’t and won’t mention your place where you live as a “country” which is a lot more complicated concept than you liberals can comprehend. I am hopeless about you liberals but I still would like to give you a few suggestions: I. Do not afraid a lot, You really don’t have to. Just take it easy…. Look at us? As you know well, we Turks killed every non-Muslim creature with the two legs. (did you know that , according to our resources…., those folks had WMD`s and we liberated them by forcing them to move to the overseas so that they could live in prosperity and tell their stories to their fellow Christians??) Obviously you don’t know, and you wouldn’t want to know but that those two legs also slaughtered millions of us. Although we have countless enemies, we are still ok with them and we are still able to play soccer with Arabs, Russians, and Greeks etc…. You and your brave soldiers really do not have to be afraid. Listen, in Turkey, we had been taught that, Hitler was meanest person in History he had killed millions of Jews, and then many of them escaped to us, and we protected them 2nd time in history. (first time they had to run out of Spain and they had fled to Barbarian Muslims again). According to most of the cultures Holocaust was a tragic event “A Lesson” which never can be happen again. But here in US, people live this like a TRAUMA. They get scared with enormous, exaggerated sentimental bombardment from the press, from everywhere. Do not afraid people just take it easy ok? Hitler does not exist anymore. McCarthyism is also over in all around the world, stop living bad memories as a SYNDROME; stop real evil in the present!!!!. II. Read history. I wonder what the history books will write about early 21 century 100 years later, are they going to mention Abu Ghraibp?,over ten thousand dead Iraqis or Palestinian kids who were killed. I will tell you what they will write. They will mention attack of the barbarian Muslims to the US Christian land in September 11. Read history again from the author who never been in church or mosque or whatever….in his or her lifetime. Starting with Stone Age, You guys are living in total fallacy. Time to wake up, Christian based western doctrine has been nullified. Get rid of your Selective memory, and read. Then maybe you figure out the Iraqis in Mesopotamia were developing farming, housing and primitive democracy, while your ancestors in Greece were still hunting-gathers and feeding each other in their caves. Than maybe you can see, Jews , Armenians, Turks, Kurds, Arabs lived there peacefully for 500 hundred years, until the white man came for Oil in WWI. III. Travel Do not trust your opinions about other people or their histories based upon the values of minorities you met in US, remember they came here with the problems, and exposed discrimination; they still keep their hatred and still blame others for their presence in US, and they still live in the past too. Go their countries. Go meet with real people in their own environment, see what they read, believe, Go and observe European Leftist movement I had a dinner, with my Spanish friend today, she said she does not understand Mexican`s Spanish, because Latin Hispanics are speaking very old Spanish including words which people in Spain quit using those words two hundred years ago. Yes, we are not in WWII anymore, world has changed, hatred between enemies have been forgotten. Go travel and come back and tell your folks what you saw. IV. Instead of imitating European democrats (their opinions clothing, etc ), be genuine to yourselves and to your empire. (an idea: most of you guys are great yoga masters maybe you can create a unique protest style from this) Instead of feeling sorry about poor immigrants, and giving democracy lessons to them about your illusive liberty (especially do not try this on graduate students), use your brains (if you have one) and your energy to change your regime from the empire to democratic republic, abolish Sultan Bush and Sadrazam Cheney like Muslim barbarians did 90 years ago. If you can’t do those at least try to make your empire more secular and more integrated with the rest of the world? Have I sounded like patriotic religious person or a republican? There are 2 kind of person I hate more than a fundamentalist religious person, who is a nationalist and of course a liberal. (which we called them fake leftist in Turkey) One time I remember I fought with two construction guys, who called me Osama bin laden in the deli line. I almost got my ass kicked that day, But, I always appreciated those 2 guys for not hiding what they really feel. If I had ever chance to choose my friends here, I would choose those two but not of any liberals because they are miserable. You liberals are even more miserable than Iraqis. But here’s the thing: The rest of the world know this but those poor liberals really don’t aware. Feel free the forward this mail everywhere to get anybody’s attention, I have already got packed, it would be great to see Cuba before going home. --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

The full topic: This Turk hates Liberals Ninos - Monday, July 19 2004, 1:58:18 (CEST) Re: This Turk hates Liberals Habibi - 07/19 05:27 Re: This Turk hates Liberals parhad - 07/19 05:38

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