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Re: The non-scientific statistics of David Chibo (Tiglath)

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Written by What is going on here? on 30 Jul 2004 21:23:03:

...hello, I am: What are you talking about? Always glad to meet another one.

As an answer to: Re: The non-scientific statistics of David Chibo (Tiglath) written by Tiglath on 30 Jul 2004 15:57:18:

David,

Why do you keep taking everything negative anyone has done from Sadam's regimes pissing off the world and getting sanctions to the US invasion, and you blame the poor Assyrian Christians in Iraq who are stuggling to get by and have no control over Sadam or the US.

...no one has blamed them. They blame the lies with which you people safely out of Iraq who are so hell-bent on avenging your Jew religion spread so that you can get the rest of those people sacrificed so you can win hearts and minds and destroy the whole place. Saddam never killed 500,000 Iraqi children...27,000 of whom were Christian children...your Christian Masters did that and continue to this day. Are these positive developments and "golden opportunities" to you?

Why do you not put blame on Sadam and other oppressors of Assyrians in the middle east and instead why do you vilify them as the cause of every bad thing including of Iraqi children hurt by sanctions.

...he has and so have the rest of us...but Saddam was America`s boy and he is gone now...under Woodrow Wilson there was discrimination, mass lynchings, blatant Racism and vioelnce against all sorts of minorities and women...as well as continued oppression of the indigenous people of America....things happen in the best of countries. Under Saddam, whatever else he or President Wilson did...the Iraqi people had the best economic life they had yet with free and excellent education...the best colleges and schools, jobs open to women...beautification and the rest of it and the lowest infant mortality rate in the MidEast...as well as health care Americans never heard of PLUS money socked away for rainy days the United States stole and continues to steal.

...Saddam didn`t do anything to deserve Sanctions..it was merely a raw abuse of power...as he exercized in attacking Kuwait, for which he was roundly scolded and forced to pay indemnities..as the United States has attacked countries countless times and gotten away scot freee. Nothing in the history of Iraq, past or present, justifies what is being done to the country and its people, especially the children...nothing but American corporate greed...and you go along because you want Iraq destroyed...for Jesus.

They had no say or power over that situatio which was a shame and a crime on humanity but Sadam is just as guilty if not more so than those imposing those sanctions, and for you to vilify Assyrians because you hate Christianity, is a damaging thing.

...no one hates Christians more than Christians...no one has killed more Christians than Christians...as even now it is Christians who are killing the overwhelming majority of Christians in Iraq. Saddam was in no way guilty of the Sanctions imposed on him...Iraq did not attack the United States...the United States had no business assuming the role of enforcer when they themselves have attacked plenty of innocent countries miles away from them.

...No one is villifying Assyrians...not Tiglath and not this fella who built a monument or three to honor them..it is you Christians who have taken our Heritage over as a Front to serve your Christian Masters that are the skunks here...

Why do your people keep saying on other forums when you spread this stuff that this will be why Muslims will be justified in wiping out Assyrian Christians,

...wasn`t the attack by 19 Saudis against the United States the excuse given for retaliation against ANY Muslim? Who began by issuing a sweeping fatwah against all Muslims anywhere, including Sikhs and dark people in America? Wasn`t it Bush who said this war would be world-wide and never-ending? Retaliation for real or perceived or dreamed up reasons is a valid self-righteous tool for Christians when they feel threatened or are attacked...and if it doesn`t matter if they strike back at the country and people where the attack originated but can lash out willy-nilly wherever they please...why can`t Mulsims exact revenge the same way...by attacking the Christians nearest at hand?

..you are not THAT stupid...but you ARE that disreputable that you would pretend to care for those Christians while you herd them into increasingly smaller spaces where the lies you spread about Islam and Iraqis can "pay off" for you when the retaliation you are PLANNING for comes to pass...and you can then show photos of naked and abused babies and PROUDLY say you weep for Assyrian victims blah blah blah.

and it is like you are framing Assyrian Christians to set them up for that wipe out. And that is what I am worried about and why you should think twice before you state a lie that damages a people and vilifies them and possibly incites hatred and another genocide agains them.

...this is your old trick of accusing us of what you yourselves are doing..because until now it seemed inconceivable that we`d attracted a group as low as you people are...YOU are the ones egging Muslims on...calling Kurds every vile name you can...dredging the past and lying about massacres that weren`t and betrayals that were...YOU are the ones who wished for more Sanctions and want American military bases...YOU are the ones who know there is NO triangle in your future...just another issue with which you hope to slander Islam..like anyone with half a mind EXPECTS a sovereign nation to "give back" land to any people claiming to be indigenous and especially when those people are such obvious skunks and opportunists..and I fully expect to see myself being refered to as an "opportunistic skunk" soon...by way of proving what I say about you.

You know that noone will sue you for posting on a forum, but do it in a magazine, I dare you, and I bet money your supposed facts can't be published.

...I dare you to get Aprim`s crap "published" anywhere but in Zindalite. It all depends on the magazine...and everything we`ve said about Sanctions HAS been published and every detail of it discussed years ago...you are the only ones trying to suppress the truth.

You take statistics on Iraqi children, which are a shame on the world, but then you twist the facts to put the blame on Assyrian Christians who are the victims and not the purportrators as you keep making them out to be.

...Saddam did nothing to the United States to warrant any retaliation..his attack on Kuwait was perfectly legitimate given the examples set for him by Britian and the United States...Kuwait was a part of Iraq ripped away by the British and the Bushes were stealing oil from Iraq through Kuwait by horizontal drilling...our ambassador to Kuwait made it perfectly clear that the United States had no concerns one way or another if Saddam attacked Kuwait, which he had every reason to foolishly believe was the truth...as for ten years the US did nothing but egg on both Iraq and Iran to kill each other and destablize the region and sold weapons to both sides and played favorites, one off against the other...as they are looking to do again INSIDE Iraq..with your help.

...It is not only "Iraqi" children...by which we presume you mean, Muslim children, who are being killed by Sanctions...while you have no trouble with math when it comes to carving out triangles you can`t grasp simple statistics...common sense really, and still refuse to admit the obvious..that it is Christians THIS TIME who are killing far more of our people than any Muslim has in the last 70 years...and this is just the start. This illegal war and the Sanctions which have led to untold suffering and murder and mayhem was brought to Iraq, not by Saddam but by America..a Christian nation..and just as Americans wanted revenge against any and ALL Muslims for 9/11...Muslims in Iraq will want theirs against ALL Christians..you know this is true...you knew it would happen...you WANTED it to happen...your paltry denials are merely meant to keep the foolish believing that you want to "spare" the very people you`ve worked so hard to set up...another dirty lie and secret of yours your Church is furious at us for giving away.

It seems to me that this is all about hate for Christianity and not about concern for Iraqi children.

...you also believe that Islam is all about "hate for Christianity"...in fact any CHRISTIAN who doesn`t toe you line about the real Christianity is someone you hate and would kill in an instant..as you people have done to each other since the Reformation. You are the ones who HATE! You hate Islam for attracting more Assyrians than Christianity ever did..you hate those Assyrians for helping spread Islam and the culture of BetNahrain it gave spurs to half way round the world while you ran barefoot to China..you hate the Muslim Assyrians of Iraq because they glory in their Islamic culture and have that as an additional plume to their hats, on top of all the other glories of BetNahrain while you`ve had nothing for 1300 years but idiot villagers. You especially Hate all those Assyrians, Muslims and Christian, who`ve given the lie to your claims of being kept down and oppressed and discriminated against when, by their example, they have suceeded and done just fine...a fact you when you come and tell us of all Christians lost just NOW. Where did they get anything of value to lose if they were kept from getting anywhere?

...And for this hatred of Islam and Assyrians and even Christians who differ from you..you would lie and cheat and steal and beg and urge murder and then lie some more and then lie even more...all the while shedding false but pious tears of remorse and sorrow over SOME of the dead you managed to get killed the RIGHT way...while you assiduously neglect to mention the far greater numbers of us you got killed the WRONG way....but never mind, because your REAL agenda of revenge against Islam on behalf of your fucking Christ is working so well.

I respect Christ...I loathe what you allow yourselves to do in his name...as you use our noble Heritage the same way...to wipe your arses with.

And then you also twist the facts to make all Iraqi children to be of Assyrian nationality, perhaps to turn young impressionable Assyrians against their own people.

...again, you are the ones doing that and think the best way to obscure the point is claim we are doing it. Your church has labored mightily to turn us against our Muslim brothers and sisters, lying that someone was kidnapped every time one of us ran off to marry one of "them". We are saying they are all one people divided by their insane jealousy and now mortal hatred...but still one people..and we will bridge that gap eventually for that is where this world is headed and it is the only hope for our young people..where all you offer is more bloodshed and hatred disguised as "democracy" and "fair play".

...we are telling them to stop and think...to look around them and see where this sort of thing has happened before and what it led to..to consider Ireland and the Balkans and Iraq where the same people, divided by Jew religions and sects of Jew religions and factions of Jew religions and off-shoots of Jew religions have been encourgaed by those they foolishly placed their trust in and children in the hands of..to hate people JUST like them merely because of insignificant details not worth a damn.

...no religion...no ideology is worth killing your sister over...raping your own mother for...blinding your father or cutting the throat of your brother..yet this is what you want..what you pray for..you just couch it in holy and eccesiastical blather...but at the end of each day...that many more children die that didn`t need to if not for YOUR religions.

...we are Assyrians..we are through with killing each other and causing the deaths of our children to further line the pockets of your churches...we will not help the Christian West kill our people based on the lies they too spread. Our way is the way of peace...if I could kill every "enemy" I had today I wouldn`t. For then there is peace through murder...which is YOUR game...we will work hard and long and patiently...we will match your lies and idiotic proooves with clarity and better facts and more of them...we will slice and dice you whenever you dare send anything out and if we EVER catch you out and can identify you because you use false names, as another Front...well...you will deny to our faces who you are...that`s the kind of scum you are.

Why David, why do you hate Christians so much that you will forget that the ones you hate are also Assyrians,

...this is a ploy and a dodge...you`re used to this since grade school when you`d tell someone who couldn`t stand you why they "hate Jesus so much they don`t want to play with you". You can repeat it till you die...everything in what Tiglath has written and done bespeaks his love for ALL our people...and part of that love is exposing the lies of those who would use us to further their church agenda of exacting revenge against BetNahrain because their Jew god plays so insignificant a part there...this has nothing to do with Christians...as many many Christians did just fine in the MidEast..or with hating Assyrians, who are respected and revered in Iraq and elsewhere..it has EVERYTHING to do with exposing those who hate "wrong" Christians as much as they hate "wrong" Assyrians..and again all of it based on YOUR Jew religion.

...We and the rest of the people of the MidEast and Betnahrain especially know EXACTLY who we are addressing...we know you are hiding behind our Heritage as a Front to piously do your churches dirty work..hoping that the mantle of Christ and Ashur will cover your crimes....not any longer. Assyrians are back in town...you`ll see...we dragged you out this far...and you have no choice but to do as we tell you...your choice is to go down to defeat in silence..or go down roaring and yelping...either way...YOU lose.

that they are people who have struggled against oppression and have been in no position to influence anyone to have done anything to justify anything done to them. Why? Help me to understand where you are coming from so I can form a balanced opinion.

...you don`t want to know or understand anything..this is intended to make you look resonable and sincere before the foolish...who are your constituency...it`s more of the lies and deceptions you accuse us of...your cover is gone...it is OVER...all your pious cant notwothstanding... no one will ever again see you boys in the same light...the curtain is down..the audience is gone..the propmaster has collected your toys...soon the lights will go out...you just can`t believe you got away with it this long...or how easily it was, really, to get rid of you.

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