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David Chibo: A Conclusion of the Latest Discussions and Arguments

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Written by Fred Aprim on 11 Jul 2004 21:18:34:

Many historians tell us that Sumerians were not Indo-Europeans (David Chibo presented ONE reference to prove that they were, while I presented FOUR to prove otherwise).

...many historians say many things...you have yet to provide ONE proof that you are Assyrian...PROOF I said...not your wild claims. All you did was come back and prove Assyrians existed, then you had me banned by crying down Jassims neck before I could reply that I`d never doubted there were Assyrians..that wasn`t your assigment..your chore was to provide ONE proof that YOU are an Assyrian...and you`ve still not done it.

...besides in history as everywhere else, one or four or twenty doesn`t make you right..these numbers change all the time..especially for events that are almost pre-historic or so lost in the mists of Time no one can be sure of anything...but we do know that Assyrians are of Semetic stock and that they weren`t on the scene when the Sumerians were...therefore they came fom somewhere else..as did Hammurabi`s Amorites, from the desert, as did our brothers and sisters the Arabs..all from the desert, NOT BetNahrain..besides which you`re sitting in a house you bought, built on ther stolern lands of the indigenous people..you can`t be an American and you sure as shit ain`t Apache...so get the fuck out of America..go back to where YOU came from.

I repeatedly asked him if he needed more references; however, he showed no interest. Few history revisionists (including an immature student of history David Chibo) use this unproven relationship to claim that since the Kurds are Indo-Europeans; therefore, Sumerians and Kurds are the same people.

..never said the "same people"..the Americans and the English are not the "same people", they merely share a common ancestry which you, as a Baboon from Bulgaria don`t share..so leave.

...he said they trace their roots to the same stock..same stock...same stock. That does not make them the same PEOPLE...you immature student of French Kissing.

Hanna Hajjar explains that if we agree with this twisted logic, then since the people of Europe are Indo-Europeans, therefore, it would be acceptable to call the Germans, French, Italians, Greeks, etc. as Kurds as well. He continues to explain that in Asia, the Iranians, Afghanis, Armenians, Indians etc. are Indo-Europeans as well, therefore, and at the same token we could call these eastern people Kurds too. Is that logical?

..talk about twisted logic....a mule shares its ancestry with a horse and a donkey...it is not the SAME as a horse...or a donkey...no more than you are. In fact YOU are closer to a jackass than any of them...so what?

Ben logically explains that connection between Sumerians and Kurdish people was not possible. He explains that there is around two millennium of time period between the last known Sumerians and the first mention of Kurds.

...methinks the boy doth protest too much...how come you`re beating this into the ground if you believe it`s so ridiculous? Your proooves or Ben`s or Hanna`s count nowhere else..why are you so adamant about this? If you`ve proven him wrong why don`t YOU move on? What do you need from him? If your nesting place was an open forum we`d show how often you lie, cheat and steal..but we can`t get on there and Tiglath has to be careful or you`ll all tag him an enemy of YOUR pickled heads and ban him..it`s enough that he got you diasporing all over yourselves...can you NEVER catch a subtle point?

Sumerians lived strictly in Southern Mesopotamia

...oh really? Did they now. You know that for a fact do you? And before their cities were uncovered you`d have said there were no such people...give it a rest.

(Babylonia) while Kurds lived in Media (Persia) and Zagros Mountains to the north. Furthermore, there is no linguistic connection between the various spoken dialects of the Kurds and the Sumerian language in any form. Even in looks and temperament, the Kurds have no resemblance to the Sumerians, as the latter have unique facial characteristics not founded in Kurds.

...and where did you get photos of Sumerians? Why are you even attempting to compare what you call apples and Kurds? How can you compare them when, as Ben says, they didn`t exist side by side ever? Isn`t it enough for you to say there can`t be any connection for the reasons cited but you must shoot your own whang off by saying you compared their facial features? Did you use the Standard of Ur and a Kurd high school yearbook? Are you daft?

In fact, the Kurdish language does not have an alphabet of its own (Kurdish language uses Arabic alphabet) and that language is based on Persian. Linguists have not tempted to associate it with Sumerian in any shape. Furthermore, there is no cultural similarities between the Kurds and the Sumerians.

..these are your words...they are not those of any recognized scholars...Tiglath merely posed a question, like when I asked you to prove you`re Assyrian and you said you just knew you were...in every facial feature and racial characteristic and moral and ethical way possible it`s OBVIOUS and screamingly so, that you are no Assyrian, not even close...yet you`re allowed and allow yourself to go on and on till you think the sheer amount of repitiion proves a point you don`t have even ONE document for.

Ashur Beth Shlimon illustrates that whether, for example, similar words appear in Turkish and English languages does not prove relationships between those two languages. Similarly, any similarity between certain words in certain English and Kurdish words does not prove that the two languages are related.

...you literally don`t know what you`re talking about. It`s a moot point anyway..it`s much easier to prove Europeans aren`t related in any way to Aztecs..yet there they are, living on the stolen lands of the indigenous people...I don`t know what kind of a "historian" thinks any lands are going to be returned to anyone. The Kurds could be from Mars...when all is said and done they have as much right to be in Iraq as any of the people who migrated there at ANY time. What kind of a historian doesn`t know the basic law in international land grabs..that you can keep anything you take so long as you can..and that it is YOURS by every law of the jungle that still guides international relations.

...How can you at the same time present yourself as a man who knows this and read that and underlined the other thing and keeps a library and all the rest of it...making yourself out to be one who is knowledgeable and astute and wise and experienced..and then come back and say you have proooves that the Kurds stole the land..that they belong "over that mountain where they always were", when the entire history of the world as well as Betnahrain has been one of change, movement and displacement? And that this isn`t a "crime" ANYWHERE?

...Give us just one instance, not four, of any nation "giving anything back" to any indigenous people. Give us proof that indigenous people, such as the Seminole Natives of the SouthEast got anything from the United States Congress when it signed a treaty with them they still have turning over Florida to their tribe, indigenous tribe. Do you think to fool anyone by making "sense" when you prove an Assyria existed...and then turning around and saying, "okay, now give me YOUR house"? HONESTLY!

The one known migration from Sumer in southern Mesopotamia to northern Mesopotamia is when Nimrod went out of Shinar (Sumer) and established Ashur, where he in essence established Assyria and founded the Assyrian people. There is no historic evidence that any other migration of Sumerians into Media or the Zagros Mountains ever took place. History simply does not support any claims about the connection of Kurds with Sumerian people.

..at different times history has supported and later shot down the same claims...history is nothing more than what we think we know at THIS moment...as such it only goes so far as an infallible and fixed point of reference. But there`s one constant that`s never changed in history and all historians agree on it...and that is that no nation has ever or will ever give up any part of its lands to indigenous people surviving within it...they can be citizens with full citizenship rights..but they cannot harken back 1000 years to when they were supreme and ask for anything on that basis..show us ONE..just ONE instance where this has happened..just ONE, remember JUST ONE...or your dick is bigger than your nose..just ONE...that`s all,,,,not FOUR but just ONE..or you lose and go to your room and stay there till you apologize for not knowing such a basic, basic fact about history..just ONE.

In conclusion:

David Chibo (aka Tiglath)

1. Failed to prove that Sumerians were Indo-Europeans (he presented ONE reference only to prove his point, while I presented FOUR to prove otherwise).

...Fred Aprim (aka Kissing Kousin) failed to prove he is Assyrian by never producing ONE document, while I asked him FOUR times to produce ONE document proving he`s ONE Assyrian.

2. Failed to convince the readers that Kurds and Sumerians were connected, as the explanation of Hanna Hajjar was most logical.

...failed to prove that Tiglath was wrong by only providing histroical records that back his own claim when there is no agreement in the field whatsover...also failed to show ONE instance of any modern nation giving its lands back to anyone for any reason.

3. Failed badly to prove his wild claim that Assyrians and Kurds have the same blood, and that was not surprising since the prior group (Assyrians) are Semitics while the latter (Kurds) are Indo-Europeans.

...what? You just proved his point. He didn`t say Kurds and Assyrians are the same..he said Sumerians and Kurds are Indo-Europeans and as such were in Iraq first and that the later Semites therefore came later...see?

On the other hand, David Chibo proved two things:

1. His knowledge of history is limited and shallow.

...there`s no proof of that at all...rather he showed he can easily get you tripping all over yourself in defense of your agenda. And we`re waiting for your knowledge of history to give us ONE proof that the thing you clamor for and say must happen, that you get your indigenous trinagle back, has EVER taken place in history...just ONE instance of a nation returning land to any of its indigenous people...

2. He has a political agenda and he uses his shaky and unfounded historical arguments to support that agenda.

...seems to be you`re the shakey bakey one around here with an agenda that`s as loupy as can be...the idea that any modern nation is going to democratically "give back" a triangle to people who have not ONE document to prove they are who they say they are..is about as stupid an agenda as I`ve heard of...based entirely on your wooley dreams and notions of what is owed you by the Universe to compensate you all for the miserable showing you`ve made it which you seek to blame on others for taking "your" birthright away. Show us how much of a historian you are and cite ONE example as PROOF that this agenda of yours has EVER worked anywhere and I`ll show you what your REAL agenda is...to destroy Iraq if you can`t have your way...how`s that for mature and manly and wise? Is that historical or just plain hysterical?

...How about privding that ONE document that shows you`re Assyrian..or a historian for that matter..we`re all winging it...you`re just a goose is all.

Fred Aprim

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