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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Friday, August 6 2004, 22:03:05 (CEST)
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..more of what the boys have done to spread lies about ALL our people in Iraq...and what they and others try to do to discredit Moore because HE showed them up as well.

You can read the entire article if you want...and look to see if this CIA Front "reporter" gives any CREDIBLE sources for HIS claims..the same thing he÷s trying to smear Moore with..the same thing the the boys want to discredit us with...THEY are the liars whoªve learned the best way to deflect the truth is to accuse others of their own deceit.

Had Moore not been careful with his claims..had he used any trick photography, the phalanx of lawyers who know a lot more about slander and lawsuits than Moore does or this boy or the writter of this "article" do, would have caught his ass before the movie even got close to release.

They werenªt HIS lawyers...they were lawyers for Miramax, the companª that funded Mooreªs movie and I÷ll bet they weeded out a lot of stuff Moore wanted left in...thereªs no way a company such as that is going to risk the publicity , let alone the expense of lawsuits that the Republicans would bring against them all faster than you can say, "monicasbluedress".

Moore said they would all claim he was "lying" and making things up deliberately, which would also be a great incentive for him not to even APPEAR to be doing such a thing as it would ruin the rest of the film...ONE lies would give them all they need to say it was ALL LIES....he also said not a one of them would even THINK of a lawsuit because they wouldn÷t get past the first step.

What would be more delicious to Bush and the boys than to sue Moore and PROVE he was lying, even just ONE lie? Even without going all the way..what if a judge ALLOWED a suit? They canªt claim not to have the money because they just a whole bunch of ours, or time to "waste" because Moore, by himself, is rattling their teeth and others will soon follow...everyone likes money and apparently thereªs some to be made now by telling the truth, as a sort of novelty people have forgotten about...a quaint relic before the New World Order figured out how to improve on that last great Christian thug...ol Adolf hisself.

who says education in America is in trouble. Itªs Americans who are in trouble.

Read it by all means...

Who says education in America is in trouble? Itªs Americans who are in trouble.

Jo, I will never debate a subject without doing my homework. I make a promise to myself to listen to both sides even though I disagree with the opposing side. I always try to keep an open mind and present the case with facts. You took the F-911 literally. In my opinion Michael Mooron should be discredited for lying about a documentary and trying to pass it as such. Now having said that, I will prove my opinion with facts. You said in a previous post and I I I I I quuuooote:

"Another of my favorite parts is when Moore talks about Hamid Karzai. But I guess you'll have to see the film to know what I'm talking about, again."

Let's see what Mooron says about Karzai. This is from the Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11

By Dave Kopel

On December 9, 2003, the new Afghanistan government did sign a protocol with Turkmenistan and Pakistan to facilitate a pipeline. Indeed, any Afghani government (Taliban or otherwise) would rationally seek the revenue that could be gained from a pipeline. But the protocol merely aims to entice corporations to build a new pipeline; no corporation has agreed to do so. Nor does the new proposed pipeline even resemble Unocal's failed proposal; the new pipeline would the bring oil and gas from the Caspian Sea basin, whereas Unocal's proposal involved deposits five hundred miles away, in eastern Turkmenistan.

Fahrenheit showed images of pipeline construction, but the images have nothing to do with the Caspian Sea pipeline, for which construction has never begun. Nor do they have anything to do with the Unocal pipeline, which never existed except on paper.

According to Fahrenheit, Afghanistan's new President, Hamid Karzai, was a Unocal consultant. This is false. Sumana Chatterjee and David Goldstein, "A lowdown on the facts behind the allegations in 'Fahrenheit 9/11'," Knight-Ridder newspapers, July 2, 2004. The origin of the claim appears to be a December 6, 2001 story in the center-left French newspaper Le Monde. The story does not cite any source for its claim. (The story is available on-line from Le Monde's website; registration and payment are required.) Unocal has denied that Karzai was ever a consultant.

(Deceits: 1. Governor Bush never met the Taliban; 2. The Unocal pipeline idea was abandoned; 3. The new pipeline is different from the Unocal proposal; 4. Construction has not begun. Bonus deceit: Enron.)

Moore response: Regarding Karzai, cites the article in Le Monde, and two later articles which appear to use Le Monde's information. Moore's translation is: "He was a consultant for the American oil company Unocal, while they studied the construction of a pipeline in Afghanistan." The actual sentence was "Après Kaboul et l'Inde ou il a étudié le droit, il a parfait sa formation aux Etats-Unis ou il fut un moment consultant de l'enterprise pétrolière américaine Unocal, quand celle-ci étudiant la construction d'un oléduc en Afghanistan." Translated: After Kabul and India where he had studied law, he completed his training in the United States where he was briefly (literally: "for a moment") a consultant for the American petroleum business Unocal, when it was studying the construction of a pipeline in Afghanistan." Neither Le Monde nor Moore has provided any evidence to substantiate the claim about Unocal and Karzai.

Moore does not attempt to defend the other falsities which are detailed in this section: that Unocal had abandoned the project in 1998, that the 2003 Protocol involves an entirely different pipeline, and that the pipeline footage in the movie has nothing to do with either the 1998 or 2003 proposals.

Do the many falsehoods and misrepresentations of Fahrenheit 9/11 suggest a film producer who just makes careless mistakes? Or does a man who calls Americans "possibly the dumbest people on the planet" believe that his audience will be too dumb to tell when he is tricking them? Viewers will have to decide for themselves whether the extremist and extremely deceptive Fahrenheit 9/11 is a conscientious work of patriotic dissent, or the cynical propaganda of a man who gives wartime aid to America’s murderous enemies, and who accepts their aid in return.

Dave Kopel is Research Director of the Independence Institute and an NRO columnist. He has previously written about the deceptions in "Bowling for Columbine." Like Michael Moore, in 2000 Kopel endorsed and voted for Ralph Nader.

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