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hanna steps up to the plate...and falls down

Posted by parhad (Guest) - Sunday, August 15 2004, 14:00:46 (CEST) from - Windows XP - Internet Explorer Website: Website title:

If you needed anything else to settle your doubts that whatever they call an Assyrian identity is a fraud...Hanna makes it clear by hie ernest attempt to prove the ridiculous...I can't believe that he really thinks his argument is anything but clever...he proves the exact opposite of what he sets out to... Re: A New Assyrian Website -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beth Suryoyo Assyrian (Othuroyo) Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Written by Hanna Hajjar on 14 Aug 2004 21:47:06: As an answer to: Re: A New Assyrian Website written by Arameans on 14 Aug 2004 18:16:49: Sure there were Assyrians who converted to Islam, but the issue is what they call themselves now, and what culture they identify with. ...that's only the "issue" where the boys are concerned...that's why they talk all goddamn day, because THEY deicded talkingalot about being Assyrian and warriors and militias and what they'll do and who they'll beat up and adding "Assyrian" to everything they have and do...like they have Assyrian tennis shoes and Assyrian food and Assyrian pants and how the picnic was Assyrian and that dance is Assyrians and my cousin is Assyrian and I piss Assyrians...so that at the end of each day they can look back, count up the number of times they used the word "Assyrian" and feel they've satisfied some requirement somewhere that says..."Ye shall know them by how much they repeat a word". The same reason, though they can't seem to figure it out, that they can't manage to DO anything. I made an Assyrian monument the day I realized an Assyrian DOES Assyrians things. If an Assyrian (who is genetically Assyrian) converts to Islam, adopts the Arab language, and culture, and starts calling himself an Arab, and discards his ancient Assyrian culture and name, then he is an Arab, even though he is genetically Assyrian).bs.. ...they do not CALL themselves Arabs...they call themselves Iraqi. The fact that their religion is from Arabia gives the boys the excuse to call THEM Arabs. The fact that Muslim Assyrians identify with their more recent empire, the Assyrian Islamic Empire, is somehow seen as proof that they MUST be Arabs. It's no different than the boys seeing mostly or only their time on earth since turning Christian as the one they most identify with...no different. The boys' religon came from Israel...to use their twisted logiciqueek that would make them JEWS. Here is what is happening in the Arab world: ...and you're getting this from an unbiased source who just seeks the truth... They teach the school kids (Arabs and non-Arabs) that everyone is an Arab. ...no they don't. That's the way the boys see it...and you can see right here how open minded the boys are...they want to BELIEVE this. What is taught is that the MUSLIMS of Iraq are also descended from the ancient Assyrians and others..and by the way, Muslim Iraqis don't have this blindspot that insists that ONLY the Assyrians, from all those ancients of BetNahrain survived...Muslims see no problem in addmitting that ALL of them survived. ...as soon as a Muslim says that the Muslims of Iraq are ALSO descended from the ancients, the boys ' mind automatically kick in with what their preiets taught them in their madrassahs, that any Muslim MUST have come from Arabia...because NO Assyrian would have EVER converted to Islam..once the boys buy into that,,,and the pressure to conform and back up their friggin church is tremendous, the rest is easy..."NYAH NYAH NYAH", the boys shout in unison, "you just PROOOVED you're from Arabia" etc. They start with modern history, with the Arab revolution seeking independence, in each respective country, and go back and once they reach to the birth of islam, in the 600s AD they jump to the Arabian peninsula and continue there to the Jahiliyya time. denying the existance of other cultures such as Assyrian, Pharonic ets. and if they bring them up, they either label them as Arabs, or they trivialize them by being pagans. ...No they don't. Hanna felt TRIVIALIZED...HE felt as nothing because HE refused to identify with the great Assyrian ISLAMIC Empire...because at the time when Assyrian converts to Islam were conquering nations, all he had to brag about was writing down their exploits or grumbling at the thought of HIS religion being marginalized....of COURSE Muslim Assyrians had no time or interest in living in the past, as the boys still do...of COURSE they were thrilled and pleased with what they were achieveing AS ASSYRIANS..that's right, AS ASSYRIANS...because all that changed was their religion...nothing else. And the success they achieved under the banner of their new religion was so much more than anything the boys achieved on their knees that the boys never forgave them...and you can still see today how insecure and ENVIOUS they are of ANYBODY and that succeeding in the world is enough of itself to almost make you a "Muslim",,,,someone they would hate for abandoning the true and idiotic faith in a Jew who's supposed to come one day and save your sorry ass...daring to RISE UP and go DO something is in some weird way almost ANOTHER "conversion" to them...like you HAVE to betray Christ to go save YOURSELF and make of YOUR life something worthy in this life...worthy in some way OTHER than a worhty "sacrifice" like HE did. Look at literature: and I am talking about the Middle East: They teach about Arab writers and poets only, from modern times to the 600s and then they jump to the Arabian peninsula where they teach the Mu3alla2at and that is it, and few arabic poems before Islam as the Jahilliy as if prior to the Arab there was no other culture or language. ...Not true. On the official Iraqi website, before the war, the homepage showed the Lamasu and CROSS as well as Muslim symbols...and there were articles on who the ASSYRIANS were...mentioned by NAME...and they said exactly who and what they were...they just didn't go all the way the boys do and say that Assyrians are alive today and are of only ONE religion...hell, they COULD...it's THEIR web pgae...this is their OFFICIAL voice and chance to tell the story to the world...but they don't abuse the truth...they mention their COMMON ancestors...but what they WON'T do is give any preference to Syriac manuscripts and the Mar One and Mar Two business the boys rest their entire claim upon..the church has been a sneaky, lying, propagandizing organ of lies and terror over the lives of children since the beginning...it has MADE boys believe this nonsense on pain of being shunned by the small villages the stupidest and therefore the most "nationalistic ones come from. They teach the non-Arabs of the Middle East about poets in Al Aldalos (Spain), but they never mention about the contribution of non-Arab Assyrian poets who were born and lived in the Middle East, not even in a translated form (of their literary achievements). ...Hanna means he wants CHRISTIAN apologists taught in schools..."poets" who write that Assyrians can ONLY be Christians...etc. That is a LIE..it is church propaganda and a Muslim country will of COURSE not present as a universal truth...it is proven NO WHERE that to be a legitimate descendant of the ancient Assyrians, Babylonians or Hurrians you HAVE to be Christian today. What the boys call "Assyrian Culture" in the modern era is simply JEWISH culture transplanted from Israel...as the Arbas brought theirs to share from Arabia...NEITHER of them is Assyrian in any meaningful sense, though the Muslim Assyrians come closer because of the continuous thread of empire-building they manifested, after one of several interruptions they suffered in our long, long history..it is this JEW Messiah business that is completely foreign to anything we know of Assyrians...and we can see today, when Christians are wishing death and destrucrion to BetNahrain...knowing that a war by Christians against Muslim Iraq will ENDANGER the Christians of Iraq...and cause them to run for their lives again...and how much the boys YEARN for martyrs...but ones that died RUNNING or kneeling helplessly while they are gunned down...because this is what the JEWS taught Assyrians they must do to get to heaven...that was neither Assyrian NOR Muslim! Learning from the Arabs is denying the existance of other ethnic groups, and pretending that when the Arab invasion took place the Arabs, had either entered an empty land with no inhabitants, or the Arabs had massacred every single sole that used to live there and replaced them with Arab population, or that the previous culture before Islam (Assyrian, and Egyptian etc.) means nothing to Arabs, and hence it is disposable. ..They don't teach that at ALL...or else the Iraqi website would not mention ANY Assyrians or Babylonians. This is an out and out LIE...and such a stupid thing to say when Dr Donny George, a Christian, headed the entire department of antiquities...during a time when Muslim AND Christian Assyriologists were engaged with the world community,discovering and developing the digs and finds and museums...as if they could fool the entire world! This is all absurd, the justification they give themselves to make these outrageous claims. The bottom line if Assyrian culture and history meant anything to those Arabs or Arabized Assyrians (if there are any), then they would have been proud of it as much as they are proud of their Arab culture, but the facts on the grounds show that they are not. ...not true at ALL. We can see how little anything Assyrian matters to the boys..that ALL they yap about is their time as Christians..with Paul even consigning the Assyrian gods to hell...to understand that this is a war between Christ and Islam..with the Christians pissed as hell because their meek bullshit and waiting on a Jew to rescue them made THEM into their OWN second class citizens, burning with resentment that their OWN stupid religion made servants and bystanders of them...while Muslims raced ahead...and they hate the place and the people enough that, as Hanna said, they would see it all DESTROYED if they can't FINALLY get their Christian way!!! If there were any Moslem Assyrians in Northen Iraq, they would have challenged the Kurds as them being the true Assyrian owners of the land, and not the invading Kurds, but those Arabs in northern Iraq, beleive that they came from Saudi Arabia and have nothing to do with ancient or modern, further more they consider Assyrians as their enmies, and that puts the Kurds and Arabs at the same category in northern Iraq where both are invaders, and may the strongest survive. To them is who can grab the maximum land and calim it as his (i.e. either Arab land or Kurdish Land). ...bullshit all...arguments made up AFTER the fact...they already have their CONCLUSION and are thrashing around for ways to MAKE it true. If the Arabized Moslems of Northern Iraq start claiming the north as Assyria, and call themselves as Assyrians, they would undermine the claims of the Kurds. But they are not, because they don't feel any attachment to any Assyrian roots. And hence that gives the Kurds the upper hand. ...he means if the Muslim Assyrians switch over and do what HANNA wants them to...HE will allow them to do so...generous ain't he? Hanna Hajjar --------------------- - BACK TO INDEX - REPLY - QUOTE - EDIT - DELETE -

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