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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Sunday, June 13 2004, 1:06:37 (CEST)
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>Assyrians Killed in Baghdad

...No! Really? You mean by Muslims right? Those are the only Christians you boys weep for. Majdolin`s two children were killed by Americans and you never said a word....
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>Posted By: Hanna Hajjar (ACC46252.ipt.aol.com)
>Date: Friday, 11 June 2004, at 7:38 p.m.
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>In Response To: Assyrians Killed in Baghdad (Ashor Giwargis)
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>The story in the ZAWAA press release is another reason why Assyriuans should ask for an independent Assyrian Triangle.

...you can ask for anything you feel like. Simply because Christians died is no reason to give them triangles..a whole lot of Muslims have died...should they take away all your villages because they can`t trust Christians?

...ANY Christians seen to be working with the attcking Americans are seen as collaborators...a form of traitor and they have ALWAYS been summarily shot...or can`t you find that in your dictionary? As far as dead Christians as collateral damage, that`s just tough luck..ask Aprim, he knows. You neglect to mention that none of this killing would have happened had not the Christians, as per your request, attacked Iraq for the last 14 years.
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>People tend to say we are not strong we can't defend our homeland.

..I tend to say you can`t defend anything...when Kelly Ross slimed our heritage and we took him on...you excused yourself from that fight because "what had I ever done for you"? You aren`t fighters...you`re brawlers and back-stabbers..that`s very different.
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>My answer is:
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>1. Every incident where our people were massacred was when our people are unarmed!

...your people were no more massacred than the Assyrian children who were starved to death..also by Christians were massacred.
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>The Assyrian genocide of 1915 was carried against unarmed Assyrian,

...there was no genocide, not unless you count a half million starved to death Assyrian children as a genocide...you are language challenged..you are also an opportunist like the rest of your boys who`ll turn words upside down and inside out if you think it will get you a tear..a dishonest one.

the Assyrian massacre of Simele was carried against unarmed Assyrians.

...they asked for it..you know..like those 500,000 Assyrian children asked to be starved to death. Until you stop rooting for the slaughter you pèrsonally like and take a stand against all violence done to our people..and not just to the Christian ones and then ONLY when done by Muslims..you`re just an extremist pig of one kind of oink, poised against a different porker..you are all the same..each of you feels self-righteously justified in killing...and each of you places a halo on your crimes and condemns only the other...you are ALL insane.

If our people were armed, those who carried such atrocities would not have dared to approach.

...then what sent you all running to those hills where you hid for hundreds of years? Were Black Americans armed when they fought Jim Crow...were South Africans armed when they fought Apartheid..was Ghandi armed? Was Jesus armed?

History shows us that when Assyrian got armed at the last stages of the WWI to defend themselves they were able to hold their grounds against attacker many times their size, and force them back.

...and just what does that prove? That we should go backwards in time? Why not go all the way and start eating each other? Had they waqnted to "protect" themselves they never would have cozied up to the Christian Allies in the first place.
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>The only way for our people to defend themselves is to have a deterrent force, because once the attacker realizes that he is going to suffer casualties too, he will think twice before attacking.

...every dingbat organizations dreams of its own militia. You won`t get one either. The only people you "attack" is each other`s mothers.
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>2. People might argue that we have no population numbers, but remember that the quality of one Assyrian warrior surpasses the quality of others.

..that was when there were Assyrians around. You aren`t warriors at all now...you turn away from words and arguments...you can`t face a conversation...you are all talk all the time.

Assyrians are warriors by nature, all we have to do is to tap into that power and use it.

...this is all mindless bull intended to get you a hard-on. There isn`t anything Assyrian by nature in you..it was pissed out at church long ago.

Further more when an Assyrian fights he will be fighting for his survival, and for his homeland, and that will magnify his potential many times.

...it will do no such thing. Aside from a few hot heads you haven`t the making of anything but a diaspora team that wants to get the hell out of there..like you left!

..what do you think the Kurds and Muslims are fighting for?
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>3. Some people are afraid that there will be retaliations. Sure there will be retaliations, but let’s not forget that the retaliation has been going on for thousands of years, and even if Assyrians are minding their own business and doing nothing, they have been constantly and systematically massacred and ethnically cleansed.

..that`s bullshit. There have been no massacres of "Assyrians" for thousands of years..are you nuts? This is the crap you picked up in those Syriac Manuscripts that try to whitewash the fact that most of our people fled to Islam and married away from Christianity..a fact seen as too embarrassing and too true...so you came up with kidnappings and massacres to explain the dwindling numbers of Christians...the only way you hold out is by running to America...and you want the ones stuck back there to take on the Muslim world?

Assyrians are getting killed anyways, what we need to do, is to place our Christian believes of "turning the other cheek" on the shelf, and go back to our ancient Assyrian code of "an eye for an eye" which is the norm in the Middle East.

...you never turned anything except your tail to run. You`ve been encouraging others to kill for you..including the Sanctions you supported which the United Nations and Amnesty International, BUT NOT your Syriac manuscripts, credited with killing 5000 children a month. You aren`t a "real" Christian..you`re a dyed in the wool coward.
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>4. Some might argue that we can't raise an army and can’t afford high casualties; the answer is that we are being drafted anyways, and we are already suffering high casualties, in wars all over the Middle East, drafted and forced to fight for some tyrant’s adventure who doesn’t give a damn about Assyrians.

...you mean like you boys JOIN UP willingly in America to go back and kill your people? Let`s see what else you get out of Bush..besides weak tea.

...The nation is Iraq...when you live in a country you serve in the army..your problem is that you never consider yourselves a part of Iraq because it`s Muslim and you`re not..that`s why they don`t trust you.

Just a simple math of calculating our casualties in the past wars in the Middle East will prove to you that we can easily raise an army with good numbers.

...a far easier math problem was to use Tiglath`s equation and numbers to realize that the sanctions and the war you yelped for killed thousands of innocent Assyrians..many of them Christians...so who`s killed more Assyrians, Muslim and Christian..besides CHRISTIANS!

Take the Iraq-Iran war for example: if you add up the draftee Assyrian casualties (Nestorian + Jacobites + Chaldeans) in the Iraqi army, that will add up to at least 250,000 casualties,

...you get your figures from your ass.

add to that those Assyrian that survived, you will have an army of a respectable number, whose size could easily defend the Assyrian Triangle.

...except no one is going to give them a triangle..and no one is going to let them take one either. All you accomplish with this hysteria is to screw it up some more for the few miserable Christians still back there...who weren`t as lucky as you. How come you didn`t worry about losing "DEAR Nineveh when you flew out?

Especially when those soldiers realize that they are defending their own families, and their own homeland.

...which is the same thing the Kurds feel...and you really think you Christians are a match for the Kurds? In your dreams.
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>If we had a time machine to go back in time and ask each and every one of those Assyrian draftees that lost their lives for a war that they had no interest in nor profit from, (in Arabic they have an expression for that which goes like this: Laysa lahom la naqa wala jamal!) the following question:
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>If you have a choice, would you like to fight and die in shame for someone else's adventures? Or fight and live in dignity for your own nation's cause, and a better future for your family?

...how about asking you if you`d like to fight and die in the cause you try to sell to others? I think we all know the answer.
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>What do you think would their answers have been?
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>You see, even though that those Assyrians died defending Iraq, yet they are not honored by Iraqi Arabs and Kurds, instead they are looked down upon, and Assyrians are still treated like 5th class citizens.

..that`s not true at all. Several Christian Iraqis serving with DISTINCTION in Iraq have been honored by the government...my own father among them...who was personally decorated by the Regeant for action in wars with the Kurds..and he was only a doctor! The year my father died in Kuwait another ex-Iraqi army officer, also a Christian, died in Kuwait and was flown back at Iraqi government expense for a state funeral. You are again only considering "Assyrian" those Christians who refuse to support their country..who do it grumblingly and with poor spirit, feeling as picked upon and as weppy as you are now. Assyrians are ALL of the people of Iraq...Muslim and Christian...and many, many of them were doing just fine in Iraq..it is you crybabies who come to the West and regale people with lies about atrocities suffered when you couldn`t make it in Iraqi society but wanted the good life America has to offer.
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>If those Assyrian soldiers had fallen defending Assyria, then even if they might have lost their lives, their Assyrian nation would have honor them and taken care of their families, and their memory would have been kept alive by their Assyrian nation.

..bullshit. We see how you honor Assyrians.

>I believe that Assyrians need a military force, and even a small military force in the rugged mountains of Assyria could do miracles.

...miracles is what it would take alright. You are a fool.
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>Let me close by saying that I am against all kinds of violence that is happening in Iraq,

..obviously. The Iraqi people brought all this on themselves..didn`t they?

and I hope that peace and tranquility returns to this country. But in the case of Assyrians we are the victims, and we had suffered for too long, and enough is enough!

...you victimize yourselves..I was born In Iraq, which you weren`t..I lived in Iraq, Iran and Kuwait..I too was beaten up by students and teachers but unlike you I didn`t live my whole life in the ghettos of the MidEast...I was fortunate to meet Muslims you aren`t fit to receive the spit of...and I didn`blame others and make a professional victim of myself..calling every hole I fell into a PLOT and a TRAP laid for me by my ENEMIES. You all try to rationalize your own personal failures as the result of a cosmic Muslim plot against your puny selves.

And since there is no one to protect the Assyrians, then it is full right of every Assyrian to carry arms and defend his nation. It is an issue of SURVIVAL, and SELF DEFENCE!

...bugger off. Go screw your girlfriend and impress her with your caps.
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>Finally, when a doctor diagnoses a patient he looks at his symptoms and evaluates them, then he advises the remedy. Now if we look at the symptoms of Assyrians, we realize that for the past 2600 years Assyrians have been facing systematic massacres, irrespective of who ruled over them,

..that`s YOUR symptom..not being able to make any sense in ANY language. It is not a "symptom" when others do things to you..you lout. The symptom you people show is self-hatred...and it shows in every assinine thing you say and do. No one with an ounce of pride would be calling on something he knows is impossible..but that will set paranoid people caught in the horrors of a full blown military occupation, off the deep end to think the Christians around them might do such a thing. Are you insane?

and the only time when there were no Assyrians being massacred was prior to 612 B.C. when Assyria was an independent state. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that our problem is the result of foreign occupation, and the only remedy to it is by Assyrian independence! So no matter what Iraqi government comes and goes, and/or handing the control of north Iraq to the Kurds, the end result in the future will not change, it will still be the same old story of massacres and ethnic cleansing against Assyrians, the only times it will change is when an independent Assyrian Triangle is established.

...go suck an egg. None of this will happen and you KNOW that. This is more of the same attempt to rally the rest of the loons to your side..away from another side...so you can all go to blaming each other for "losing" Assyria. Christians have made themselves odious in the MidEast by doing for centuries what a handful of Muslims did in New York ONCE..and at that they were mostly Saudis but the Christians went killing Afghanis and then Iraqis. And just as Christians make no distinctions between Muslim and Muslim...Muslims too could give a shit which kind of Christian club you belong to or where it`s headquartered..experience has taught them that NONE of you can be trusted..though why they`ve been so patient and forgiving I can`t imagine. If they know what`s good for them they`ll buy the one way tickets out of Iraq that the AIDS SOCIETY wont!

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>Hanna Hajjar

You are one sick puppy.

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