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To David Chibo (aka Tiglath): Assyrians and Kurds are Different

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Written by Fred Aprim on 10 Jul 2004 04:13:44:

This post is in response to a certain David Chibo (aka Tiglath) who has been embarked on a suspicious and questionable mission, hinting upon other things that Kurds of Iraq are Assyrians.

...no no...that isn`t what he said...he said Kurds were once also Assyrians who drifted away...as you drifted away from Ashur to Yahwe and adopted the Jewish culture that went with it..with some modifications and come back ages later to tell us that THIS is what "Assyrians" are.

The bottom line is that every anthropologist, historian, scholar, and anybody who knows the ABC of the history of the people of the Middle East admits and attests to the following two facts:

...you`re going to leave out twenty facts that would shoot these two to pieces..that`s the way you operate your fact machine.

1. Assyrians are Semitic people.

...then they should go back to the deserts they came from and leave the Sumerians, the indigenous people of BetNahrain, to rule...GO HOME SEMITES!!! BetNahrain was NEVER your home till you moved there. Sargon the Great was a USLURPER!!!
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2. Kurds are Indo-Europeans.

...so what? People back then and today move around..there isn`t a single genetic marker that would enable you to tell a Kurd from an Assyrian..or from an Assyrian who married into a Kurd family..or converted to a kurdish clan and Islam...

If that is the case, the two groups are clearly DIFFERENT.

...not enough to matter anywhere..not enough to be worth all this murder...European Jews are DIFFERENT from Palestinians..that didn`t stop the United Nations from stealing their lands and settling the Jews there...differences are to be enjoyed, not hated and fought.

Assyrians are Assyrians and Kurds are Kurds; they are two different people, period.

...what you mean by Assyrians are only Christians..you will not admit Muslim Assyrians because of their religion and because they won`t agree to be Assyrian the way YOU say they must...and as long as we`re bringing up differences..yahwe and Ashur were DIFFERENT!!! But it didn`t stop you from jumping into bed with him...therefore our modern Assyrians...Muslims and Christians can hop in bed with Kurds and produce lovely children while you continue fucking yourself.

An Indian cannot become Chinese simply because he eats Chinese food or wears Chinese clothing. There is more to being Chinese.

...and a Christian can`t be an Assyrian merely by pointing to his Christian religion, derived from Israel...neither will learning Aramaic make you an Assyrian...there`s a lot more to being Assyrian than speaking in tongues...a tongue in this case none of you bothered to set up schools to teach in America where your own children all speak English now...there is a lot more to being Assyrian than talkingalot or praying to a Jew.

Now, lets address issues relating to mixture of blood.

Generally speaking, the Assyrians and until more recently (before the mass exodus to the West), married from within. They were isolated in their ancestral lands and willful marriage between them and Moslem groups was non-existing (I have references attesting to this fact).

...that`s not true..no more than when you say ALL Assyrians were discriminated against and forced to diaspora all over themselves...while conveniently forgetting all those who stayed and worked and prospered untill you helped ruin it for them too because you couldn`t get your way...you simply cut and alter your definition of what an Assyrian can be to suit your own narrow agenda in the pay of your Masters.

In Iraq, we know too that those few Assyrians who married Moslems were considered castaways and were no longer part of the Assyrian society. Therefore, Assyrians, to a large degree, remained relatively pure marrying from within themselves.

...bullshit...ask Jassim. These rape and kidnap stories your church concocted to mask over your shame at losing your women who ran willingly to Muslim arms are the biggest fraud you spread..that and all the massacres to account for the fact that so many of our people switched to Islam..you and your church are confirmed liars but it`s okay because you are doing the "Lord`s Work" and we all know what a liar HE is.

Of course, things changed in the Diaspora. However, that is not important here, since this is modern history; therefore, it cannot change known facts of the past.

...that`s too sweet to mess with..you are SUCH an ass!

Assyrian women were kidnapped, raped, and forced into Islam and Kurdification indeed. These women had children that had some Assyrian genes (blood) of course. However, these children grew up in Kurdish society and in time married Kurds and had children who now had less Assyrian blood in them.

..that is a lie. They left willingly and paid a terrible price becoming "dead" to their families for the sake of that fucking Yahwe. You are a Fascist...a "pure-blooder" and fifty years ago you`d still be prasing phrenology for accurately picking the Assyrian "type". No one was raped or kidnapped any more than all people are affected..it`s just your way of explaining away where all those Christians went to..just as they left the churches for Islam, which was by far the more sane of the two when they met.

This process continued generation after generation as children and grandchildren continued to marry other Kurds. For example, since the middle parts of the 19th century (from the era of the criminal and blood thirsty Bedr Khan), we had some 7 or 8 generations. These 7 or 8 generations (meaning 7 or 8 marriages from within Kurds) had diluted any Assyrian blood that had existed in the first child that the original Assyrian women had brought to life.

..there is no Assyrian "blood" you damfool. There is no Aryan "blood"...there is no Jewish "blood" and there is no Black "blood"...it is all red.

Reality is that 7 or 8 generations later, the descendents of those kidnapped and raped Assyrian women are NO LONGER Assyrians; they are Kurds through and through. This is the reality since these children spoke Kurdish, lived Kurdish life style, are Moslems, and practice Kurdish habits, culture, and traits for 7 generations.

..then all the children in America and Europe will soon no longer be Assyrian either..you ass. It isn`t blood, which you extoll because it means you can be an idiot and remain a pure blooded Assyrian...You can marry anywhere you want to and remain Assyrian...there is no blood marker anyone can find, least of all you..you just repeat discredited Nazi hogwash like it was a bright star in your future.

I am still willing to address the following scenario hypothetically. We might sit with an unusually educated Kurd and he might say to us in private that he is an Assyrian.

...I always thought of you as a VERY unusually educated Christian...very!

Two things here: One, he needs to drop the Kurdish language, speak Assyrian (Syriac), and make his confession public.

...go fuck yourself and use a Stiffo.

Two, even if he did that, he is still an exception and we cannot make a rule from the exception.

..."WE" cannot? Who the fuck are you to decide these things?

We cannot live in the hallucination that some tribes, collectively that is, will come out and declare their Assyrianism. Kurds are Kurds. This is not going to change.

...they don`t have to do that...all we ask is that we all honor our ancestors..period and since there were no Jews in our ancestry, how about you drop a religion that is as foreign to us as anything a Kurd has to offer.

There is no proof that Kurds are linked to Assyrians or any indigenous Mesopotamian group of people since they are Indo-Europeans.

...then how did Semites ever get "linked" with Sumerians to produce us all in the first place? Weren`t Semites a whole DIFFERENT ethnicity, oh unusually educated wise one?

...the Semites weren`t indigenous either..they too came to BetNahrain from the desert..same place the Arabs came from...tell them to leave why don`t you..besides, you lout, you`re forgetting that the world and all those scholars don`t take their definitions from you, in fact it was those very scholars who determined that 400 years of continuous living in a place..any place, made the people indigenous..so by all scholarly accounts..and you know how you like scholarly accounts, the Kurds are indeed indigenous to betNahrain.

Now, whether Kurds lived in Mesopotamia for a considerable period or not does not change the fact that they are still RELATIVELY foreigners since there still exist a REAL indigenous population (Assyrians) in Mesopotamia.

...you are not Assyrians and you are not indigenous..you merely call your Christian sect "Assyrian" and THEN conclude you must be indigenous...because of a religion that never was indigenous to the region..run that by a scholar for review some time.

Nobody is willing to force the Kurds out from Mesopotamia; however, they too MUST stop infringing and trespassing on the rights of the REAL indigenous population.

...that is not you. All the people in Iraq are now indigenous...period. Your claim, based upon a Jew religion from Israel and NOT the idigenous religion of the INDIGENOUS people, does not make you the ancient Assyrians because YOU say so...you are citizens of Iraq first...of various quality and calibre and backgrond..and more cultural than ethnic..and for Iraq to be whole, this blood purity and indigenous crap has got to stop..and you`ll help us stop it by talking about it every time we prod you...this HAS to get out into the public arena where we can shoot it down once and for all.

Fred

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