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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Saturday, July 17 2004, 15:42:46 (CEST)
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Man, you and that fred flinstone guy are so transparent.

...sure are...like we have names...no Fronts here. You go stay hidden and have your Fronts...you probably need to.

You both seem to have so much despise for your fellow assyrians that I have read into your comment above as your inside joke on his inside assyria forum that assyrians are laughing stocks in arab muslim world, as you and your troglodyte friend are always trying to make them out to be with that forums mocks and insults nonstop 24/7 like it was the only thing that guy can think, talk and write about. Look up definition of unhealthy obsessions.

...can÷t you EVEN write your own material? The proper way to say what you tried to is to say, "you DESPISE...etc etc. I for one despise Christians or anyone else who hides behide the Assyrian name for his hidden or Christian agenda...when you ONLY weep for dead Assyrians who further that agenda and leave out the dead Assyrians who would embarrass your Church...then you arenªt weeping for ALL ASSYRIANS...just those killed by Muslims...whome your church hates...you are discriminating between our dead children..you are making some more worthy than otjhers..to us theyªre ALL worthy...we donªt care who killed them...their murderers is not what make them "dear".

I can't believe that either of you gives two craps about any Assyrians and your posts about assyrianism and ashur seem deceptive in my opinion.

...We all know what kind of work Tiglath has done, his cousin Paul told you..and we know about the Assyrian monuments...what donªt you believe? What have YOU done..besides pray to a Jew god?

I hope you do know that by putting down assyrian christians, you can't elevate yourself.

...you put yourselves down..and us...all Iªm doing is shining a light on you people...your actions speak for themselves...while we mention ALL Assyrian victims, you say you donªt believe we care...while you mention ONLY a few and say you CARE deeply for ALL. Go figure.

And the way your friend talks with his mind always in the gutter, you disgrace yourselves.

...itªs an honor to be a disgrace to the likes of you. Imagine my horror if you liked me?

And in my opinion, none of these attempts to undermine assyrian christians and eliminate them from your worldview,

...27,000 Assyrian CHRISTIAN children were "undergrounded" by your Christian Masters...and you are helping to eliminate them QUICKLY from worldview...in my opinion that makes you the slave of your church...and no Assyrian..of course, since this kind of religion was always disregarded by MY ancestors..who never sat shaking in fear in any village anywhere...which is YOUR idea of heaping praise on Assyrians. You are a Jew...that is all...and apparently you didnªt get enough courage from the Jew who came to your village and gave you some...you havenªt the courage of your convictions...you have no name...while you accuse everyone else of being a hypocrite...and call people names and call them cowards and traitors...you yourself are the scared one.

is going to bring back either your nor flinstone's father which whether you realize it or not, my guess is that is what this is all about for you both.

...can you imagine anyone trusting to your analysis? Youªre about as illiterate an oaf as one could hope for...did I just insult you, or have you been heaping insults on yourself all week? YOU have an analysis?

Well, I have to hold true to my name of The Hypocracy Meter so my view of the hypocracy here is that the most hilarious form of hypocracy is when fools think talking negatively about people they despise elevates them above those they despise when in reality it sinks them so far below, that they will never climb out of the hole they are digging themselves in.

...people who build Assyrian Monuments do not despise Assyrians...it is you Christians who despise Assyrians..first of all you hate them for turning to Muhammad instead of Jesus...and next you despise them for being killed by Christians and therefore being of no use to you...for you must keep that a secret...how would it look if the world knew that you called for the murder of Assyrtian children...when the United States addmitted to the world that their policies would result in dead children...27,000 of them Assyrians? Frankly, I have grave doubts that Assyrians matter to you when, in your hatred of Islam and in the pay of your Church Masters, you agree to keep silent and then, like Kanna, ask for even MORE of the Sanctions that have already killed thousands of Assyrians...who is insulting...who hates...who is eliminating Assyrians? Not me fella...

I tried to make us KNOWN by placing an Assyrian Monument where tourists from around the world could see it and read about us...more people have seen it in just the few years itªs been there than will read about us in books or YOUR ridiculous forums...and the same would have happened in Chicago and Detroit had not you Christians stopped me...temporarily..because you want the world to know us only as lambs and victims and in the patehtic light you yourself appear in.

Coincidentally, I was having a talk with someone about psychology and how some men with father issues can't ever get out of childish stages in life so they spend their lives doing things to get their father's attention sometimes trying to please them,

...God, the Jewish Father..is someone you canªt seem to please enough..in your efforts to be pleasing to him and your church FATHERS you have even gone so far as to deny the murder of 27,000 Assyrian Christian children..,killed by those who pray to your Hevanly FATHER...while you pretend to weep over TWO children. Iªd say you have a huge Father issue...because you canªt grow up enough to see that this FATHER not only killed his own son..but has you, a supposed Assyrian, helping other Christians who pray to the same Father...killing our children. You have issues.

and other times trying to hurt them like trying to destroy their reputation and memory.

...I revere my Ftaherªs memory..it is you who tried dillegently to destroy his memory and you failed at that as well. My father was a great man who had the good sense to leave people like you out of his personal life..the garden was close enough. Yet he would have helped even you...as you obviously need serious help. He was also a psychiatrist who could have told you a thing or two more than any friend you have you were discussing psychology with..he also published articles in medical journals your friend probably hasnªt..on top of that he was the head of the Health Department in Kuwait so he could have gotten you in for some serious testing...these are all things he would have done to help you along in life..but he would NOT have allowed you into his house...not because he was elitist...but because you donªt deserve to be brought inside most anywhere...and Iªd remind the rest of you crybabies who blame Muslims for your own inadequacies and folly that he was a Christian...an Assyrian...and achieved all this in a MUSLIM country...something you couldnªt do in a Christian one. What did your father do?

Psychologically, thetr are the first type of men trying to please their hard to please distant fathers, especially if they were cruel and had high unrealistic expectations of their son, get stuck in this unresolved stage of childhood, and delude themselves to think that they can elevate themselves above the people their father despised.

...My father despised no one...not for their ststus...he would have kicked you around the block because you dare to hide your inadequacies behind the Assyrian name and seek entry based soley on that "status" (where you canªt EARN it on your own...like you have to sneak into a triängle by claiming to be what you are not, tying your pathetic self to a noble Heritage cause you KNOW youªre just a Christian skunk, as the Iraqis know only too well)...claiming your low position in Life wherever you go is due to Pasha Bob in 687AD. He would have recognized the inadequacies you feel..the inferiority complex you try to compensate for by claiming to be a "direct" descendant of Ashurbanipal..the delusions of grandeur you express daily when you insist you are an Assyrian..when youªre nothing but a badly reconstructed Jew, not to mention the denial you live in as you insist Britain and now America will recognize YOUR true value by going to war to give YOU a corner where you can try to grow some pride...not to mention the 27,000 Assyrian children whose deaths you also deny, whose deaths you blame, not on those who killed them, but on THEM for being killed in a way as to be useless to you and your Church Fathers...imagine how you all would weep if Muslims had killed them...this is self=loathing of a tall sort...and you have every good reason to hate yourself, so you at least got SOMETHING right.

And the second type of men, who feel their father abandoned them, will also strike out against what they feel their father psychologically or actually abadoned them for.

...never happened...you really must stop getting your education in short clips off the internet...you have to do some serious reading to put things into context, not just pluck a diagnosis from mid=air. But, poor fellow...what good would it do you to read anything...you couldnªt even pick out the simple facts or sequence of events in the post about my father leaving you in the garden...either youªre really that stupid, or you work hard at pretending to be...so you can seem to make an intelligent argument ??? Is that weird or what?

And the sad part, and I won't call it hypocracy since the human psyche is too fragile to use one word to explainit, is instead it lowers.

...in the eyes of the people that matter to me...Iªm not "low" at all...I donªt know why you feel so slighted by my disregard of people like you...or my fatherªs disdain for such "Assyrians" that you come back and put us down for not wanting to be seen in the company of people such as yourself? Are you loved and respected by all that you should be so offended to be held in such disrepute by a few Assyrians? Do you think people owe it to you to overlook your abysmal character? Are you filled with a sense of being put down and picked upon that you have to attack people simply because theyªd rather cross the street than confront you? You certainly have no reason to feel that grand about yourself...

Iªd guess you were overcompensating for a lifetime of neglect and being slighted as an adult, reawakens the feelings of not being loved or valued for what you NEED to see as a marvelous and bright kid who was never appreciated...and you have no way now of DOING the kinds of things that might win you some respect...so instead you continue crying for it..as you did from childhood on. Some of us recognize the difference between loving ourselves and thinking highly of ourselves and actually DOING something that might cause OTHERS to feel that way about us. What do you do?

And those that like to judge people by status to elevate themselves become lower than the thing they claim they despise, be it lack of education, economy, social status, etc..

...I think this is what moves you. Having never been able to rise above the low esteem others felt for you, starting with your mother..youªve transferred her indifference, which must have come across to a tender headed kid such as you still are, as hatred of you...not just a lack of interest in an underwhelming child, like you still are. Hence youªve spent a lifetime seeing the same indifference and then "Hatred" for you in Muslims who wonªt give you the toys and things you think you deserve, based solely on your STATUS...one based on a delusion at that, that you are a SON of Ashurbanipal,,,so that to you, all your life youªve been rejected and denied and robbed of your just desserts,.,...first by your mother and then by an ENTIRE religion...all of them despising you when all it was is a supreme lack of interest in a rather shallow fellow...it will take more than an imagined STATUS to get you somewhere...whereas your mother should have loved you because of your STATUS as a child of her body, regardless of how unimpressive you ACTUALLY were...no Muslim, or Assyrian, my father included, was obligated to do what your mother wouldnªt..

...it is not Islam or my fatherªs responsibility or obligation to afford you the unquestioning love or respect your mother wouldnªt...whereas a child shouldnªt have to bring home achievements and awards to get a little love and respect from Ma...a grown man has to do SOMETHING to get past the garden gate...something more than just show up. And the same man canªt just stand in front of ten million Muslims and say, "Honey, Iªm HOME"...and expect to be given theirs...just because of his STATUS.

In the one case, as a child, you SHOULD have been let in your parents door and not kept in the garden...you should NOT have had to DO anything or PROVE anything like, "But Mom...I really AM you son"...that should never have been questioned...your paternity and any doubts about it should NOT have been used against you in order to hurt you...thastªs not the same as telling those ten million Muslims..."I donªt need to PROVE who my father really was...I KNOWª"...and then tell him your dad was Ashurbanipal, "so THERE, NYAHª" Many bastard boys create a fanciful paternity for themselves imagining they are the cast off sons of kings and movie stars...but really now....Ashurbanipal???

I think youªre still in an arrested stage of development somewhere back when you realized you really WERE a bastard and itªs followed you your whole life...you resent being kept in the garden, of being made to feel you werenªt worthy to come inside...and youªve turned that into a "Political Movement and a National Strategy when you make Muslims stand in for your mother when they tell you YOU have to stay outside..that you canªt come into a "triangle", or into myour "inheritance"...or claim your "legacy". This is your way of covering up..the Front you use, as you use other made=up names...the lying, fanciful story that you really ARE the son of Ashurbanipal and not a theiving Bastard.

Muslims donªt buy this ridiculous legend of your churchªs...your "paternity" on your birth certificate canªt be proven in other words...hence that old insult thatªs hounded you all your life and which your MOTHER first placed in your mind and hurt you terribly over, has been transformed into a Political Ideology...and Muslims now stand in for your rejecting mother. And the story about my father and his garden filled with Assyrians,...reawakened that old memory and made you HAVE to hate him...because now it isnªt just your own mother who rejected you and it isnªt only all Muslims who reject your paternity claims and see you for the bastard you legally are...but another Assyrian..one so far above you it hurts...have ALL "conspired" to rob you of what shreds and patches of self=esteem youªve managed to cobble together where you have "friends" who can EVEN discuss psychology and yet when you bring these ªachievements" of yours to us...like you must have ¨ run to mother with your hair glued to your hand and called it a "science project"...and got no attention from her...as you got none from my father...as you get none from Msulims, who know youªre a bastard before you open your mouth to prove it... and arenªt taken in by your self=generated birth certificate where youªve written with Crayon...under "father": Arshupbanipple...which just prooves to us all what youªve always feared was the real reason you were despised as a child and denied your "paternity" and your "legacy"...that you reaaly ARE a bastard plain and simple.

....Is that MY fault?

when in reality they despise themselves. And that is the saddest form of hypocracy that a troubled psche can play on some poor unsuspecting sap who just needs love, especially his father's love.

...whatªs a "psche"? I only ask because given the rest of your manifest expertise this might actually be something I havenªt heard of.

...this has been fun and I appreciate the chance to slap you around for a bit of entertainment..but seriously I donªt see what my hang ups, or yours, have to do with the central issue...weªve been asking you to explain how it can be that people who admit they were cheated and lied to by the British can again believe them...how people who weep over ALL their martyrs can ignore 27,000 who were murdered by Christians, with their own blessings..while they only weep for two killed by "dastardly" Muslims...and how anyone can claim to be Assyrian when he encourages the same lying Brits and now the lying Americans, as the whole world except you now knows they were...to go to Iraq and make more war, for an additional year during which time even MORE Assyrians get killed..more than in any year when Saddam was in power..and tell us all that THIS WILL SURELY MAKE US SAFE in Iraq?

We can discuss my other hang=ups and where they came from...but you can still find time to answer these simple questions...and then we can go back to my father and how he would have left you in the garden, like your mother did, like Muslims deny you your legacy because you canªt prove your paternity and neither could your mother, for which you lash out at rejecting Father figures whoªve left you in the garden all your life because they are "elitist" when they just didnªt want any bastards in the house.

But this is just a hypothetical talk I had about nothing in particular so don't take it as having anything to do with you and your friend and all the undermining insulting things posted on that hate forum about assyrian christians.

...who in their right mind would accept any analysis from a manboy who canªt see 27,000 murdred Assyrian children right before his eyes? Is that your proof that you are a mature and shrewd analyist of Human behavior or current events? A man in that much denial hisself can hardly be looked to for insight into others...but go on...

And as a side not, I think your previous posts I was reading about revitalizing the ancient religion of Ashur is cool on the surface, but have you researched the details of that religion, its rituals, its mythology, its premises etc.. a religion is a complicated thing and not just an idea from a line in a book, like just saying worship ashur.

...no one said to worship Ashur..not in the ways you worship a Jew god...Hebrews had to make a big deal what with fire out the arse and wine into fishes and walking on people...not Assyrians and certainly not in the modern era..that sort of mumbo jumbo weªll leave to Carnival Tricksters...weªre simply advocating respecting what we ACHIEVED under the inspiration of our own god and religion..one born OF US...our past, our hills and rivers, flowers and fields..and NOT one imposed on us by the Romans who "spread" Christianity as they spread our motherªs legs and planted their Christian seed in their wombs...Judiasm was a natural fit for Jews...and Christianity is a Jewish Messiah fable the Romans tried to make "universal"...that was a gross imposition instead...

Ashur was our god and if we canªt go back to worship him as he was then, we can at least stop worshipping a Jew god who has been one disaster after another for us. He didnªt "save" us at all...our lack of faith in our forefathers and their wisdom, transferring our loyalty to a reformed Jew religion only saved THAT religion..it DESTROYED us. When the church says the religion "saved Assyrians"..what they really mean is..."thank god those Assyrians SAVED the religion"....why thank us for saving a Jew religion and get us so GLAD we didnªt save our own? Could that be where your self=loathing started? Did you betray your REAL father for this church one? Not me...I stayed loyal to my birth father AND the father of my Heritage...

Can you detail the substance of this new religion that makes it viable, for I actually might convert if it has substance and coincides with my morality and ethics and already ingrained belief systems. For I would need to know that it is a real viable good for humanity and its member's religion and not just a superficial let's believe what our ancestors thousands of years ago believed.

...you are unfit for it...sorry. At some point in your life youªre going to have to come UP....you canªt being everything down to your level before you find it "worthy"....down that far it has no longer any meaning.

You know thousands of years ago when they developed the first of everything including civiliation on the plus sied and more efficient ways to war and kill on the negative side. Well, okay for building empires but pisses off a lot of people to the point that they build a religion around hating you and are so obsessed with destroying you that you suceed.

...you mean like the Roman Empire that forced Christ, their version, down the throats of everyone they ever enslaved...that one? The "Christian" empire that started its ministry by tranferring to the Jews, from whom their dear lord came, the guilt for murdering him and continued and continued till they finally found their man in Hitler who knew how to cook and eat them all with no qualms and the secret approval of the rest of Christianity..you mean that kind of empire?

Oh, wait, maybe that is what this Ashur religion is about, building a religion around hating assyrian christians and destroying those that won't convert.

...we accept all religions...as the people of Ashur did. You boys picked up your intolerance from Hebrews..who were famous for killing their own people over religious niceties. In your black hearts you despise Assyrians...and only see as worthy the ones who became Christians...but, since no one has killed more Christians than Christians themselves..you divided up among all the various sects and went to hating and killing each other some more.

But maybe I am just getting distrustful cause I spent the past week reading the past year of posts on that www.insideassyria.com forum you and flinstone post on. And think this new religion out carefully for modern people lik want to make our religion has separation of church and state and a bunch of other things beyond saying, hey let's worship Ashur so we can feel more Assyrian than Assyrians who worship Christ.

...it has nothing to do with worshipping anyone..you are the one with the worship bug. We are saying what Ashur said...he never asked for our passive worship on Sundays...he expected us to DO...to BUILD...to LEAD, then and now...not to run along behind a Jew god...his Jew church, reformed or not..not to cry after the British or the Americans..not to encourage people to hate us so we can add to Jassimªs List and have the bodies and horror stories with which to "win hearts and minds" and certainly not to turn a blind eye when we are TOLD that Chritian policies will lead to the murder of our innocent children..from whom we hope to get future soccer stars and doctors and artists and writers...all of it based on the oft discredited notion that foreign Christians REALLY DO love us and respect us and will do for us what we can in no way do for ourselves...to remember that Assyrians roamed the earth back then and didnªt huddle in any corner anywhere..and that under Islam we took the legacy of BetNahrain round the world yet again...to Europe and the New World and saved classical learning and culture even as we saved our own...to light up the world again once the Dark Ages the pope imposed on Christian Europe for over 1000 years came to an end...for we preserved and enhanced and added to what the world needed desperately to regain its sanity after the tyranny of a Roman Empire and its Jew god they never believed in anyway...and you can also thank Muhammad and Islam for beating back the Byzantines who sought to bring BetNahrain under the Christian yoke so the Dark Ages could have covered us up as well...who instead, so amazed and transfixed by our culture..adopted it and adapted and took it round the world...not a bad legacy that.

And what about our Arab Muslim rulers, will they respect this religion of ancient God or Gods more or less or at all thant he problems they already cause for Christians and the talk on that www.insideassyria.com forum so hateful to Christianity.

...Muslims need no help from us or anyone in hating Christianity Inc. Hells bells OTHER Christians hate and have killed more Christians than Muslims EVER did...what IS IT with you people? Do you ALL only wail and weep for your own people when someone ELSE kills them...while you yourselves have killed MORE Christians than anyone else ever did? Is it the same with you all...that dead Christians matter when someone else kills them but are worth nothing when Christians kill Christians???

... No one gets respect by DEMANDING IT...you canªt get one of the most prestigious sites for a public monument in San Francisco, or Chicago by DEMANDING it..I donªt care WHO your father was...or HOW much you suffered in life..which is the main reason you people achieve NOTHING in the world any Assyrian child can be proud of. You understand well enough that it takes hard work when it comes to soccer where you know we have to work JUST as hard as the other teams...and canªt show up at the stadium wrapped in CHRIST with a long list of all WE SUFFERED and expect to be spotted ten goals before the game starts because of your STATUS as a poor LAMB...we have to EARN the respect of people, Muslims included...as well as our own children. This business of forgiving our children everything because they are the great children of Ashurbanipal..never mind what THEY are, is killing us...why should they WORK at being Assyrian when they can just BE great?

And if it is the people that guy hates and the religion mocking is just a way to strike at them, then this won't help him or anyone that thinks like him like he claims Arab Muslims do, accept us and our religions any better.

...do you hate the 27,000 murdered Assyrian children under the age of five? Will you recognize what was done to them at least? Or are you still hoping your church and itªs followers, who killed these children, will do something for you? Are you in the habit of whoring your daughters for benefit?

So please give me substance beyond what you read in a blurp in a book on them of what our ancestors believed so I know this is more than resentment of Christianity.

...you are where you belong...stay there.

And truthfully as much as I respect our ancestors for what they gave to civilization, they were an ancient people in an ancient brutal waring time, and their religions were built around that, and I think you and your flinstone friend are mislead to think to be a true assyrian one has to believe in ashur as you all post on that forum of his, is wrong.

...no one killed like they do today...it took centuries to be able to kill six million Jews with such ease...these kinds of wars against children where people come out and SAY theyªre aiming for kids never happened...even Hitler didnªt BRAG about what he was going to do..just sort of hinted broadly in "Mein Kampf", and that was barely 60 years ago...but Madeiline Albright went him one better by ADDMITTING that Sanctions were killing children and said that was "acceptable". There was nowhere near the brutality in those days there is today..youªre just believing your lying bible.

I think it is a ploy to destroy christianity in assyrian communities,

...as with eveything else you blame on others...you people are destroying your Faith...in America, where you are FREE to be Christian, you are losing the interest of your own children who go to church only so long as you drag them..and less and less of them are being dragged...no one is destroying Christianity..it"s dying itªs own natural death...thatªs why all these born agains are popping up..a desperate attempt to keep this most bloody of all franchises going..it wonªt work either...nothing lasts forever and this fixation on Jesus at all costs wll pass too.

In the MidEast you people have made yourselves odious by associating your fortunes with Christian invaders and murderers who just got through killing 500,000 Iraqi children and blamed it on their parents. If things are indeed that bad for you there, then get out. Stop trying to get the rest killed just so you can show the world what Islam is "really like"...it is you Christians whoªve been the bloodiest scourge the world has ever seen...no one else and certainly NOT the ancient Assyrians.

but it is also fundamentally wrong since being assyrian today here and now does nto mean reverting 3000 years, it means respecting your people and the evolution of the culture and religion,

...there was no "evolution" into Christianity...there was forced conversion or death and destruction brought to BetNahrain by the Romans...who wiped out whole Peoples and took away the cultures and religions and children of people they invaded in order to make their Pax Romana...that wasnªt the Assyrian way...we took in the gods of all the people...allowed them to worship as they always did...and those we moved around the empire..all beautiful land by the way, were encouraged to keep their gods and customs...that wasnª the Roman way...and we were raped into Christ like everyone else the world over has been...youªre simply taught to be "glad" you were turned into a Christian and youªve never bothered to ask just how it was done..instead you continue to believe the fables and sel=serving myths put out by your churches that our ancestors went to mountain villages, where these same idiot priests just HAPPEN to be living now..and they hid there trembling in fear..while the Hebrews of ALL people stayed right where they were and fought on...and the ASSYRIANS remained shakey and quakey in those villages YOU come from..till a lone Jew came down the road..told them about another Jew..and they all got courage..the kind we see in YOU so clearly...got name? Or will your wife smack you one if you tell us who her husband is?

and feeling their pain and plights and believing in whatever religion and politics that you feel in your heart, your assyrian heart!

...what would you know about an Assyrian heart...your"s is Jewish.

THM

...well thatªs a step up...see what knowing just a few Assyrians can do for a Christian?

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