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Posted by Qasrani (Guest) - Tuesday, July 20 2004, 16:34:19 (CEST)
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Fred said:

...Besides which Muslim Assyrians have a whole other empire to revel in...it is you who made Christian synonymous with Assyrian so that when Christ lost in BetNahrain you refused to recognize the "theft" of ASSYRIA..when our people turned to Islam in great enough numbers to take the religion and the CULTURE of BetNahrain to Spain and the New World..for which they`ve never been forgiven...the way you want them to be "Assyrian" practically means they have to renounce 1300 years of their history and achievements..and they won`t do that. Instead they incorpprate their Assyrian Assyrian roots into their later flowering as Muslim Assyrians..as you could see in the old Iraqi web page where the cross was as pronounced as the Crescent BOTH of which are Assyrian symbols..as well as the Lamasu...and they know and I know and you know that if you had an "Assyrian site"...you`d have a Lamasu without balls and lots of crosses...but NO Muslim symblos..and that says it all.

ok, Fred, here you do sound like a ba'3thi ba'3thist... because that's what the lot of the early ba3theeyeen argued... That it was all about the evolution of the same people and Christian-ness is one dot on the timeline and Islamicness is another as were the Abbasids and the entirety of pre-judeochristian Mesopotamian history. You diverge in calling them Muslim Assyrians, whereas the Ba3'theeyoon said they had all converged on a new Arabness, but that's because they wanted to bring in the bedouin arabs that flanked the civilized parts. That little detail also gave them impetus for revolution that having gone in the direction of "we are all Assyrian" could not. I guess that's why no one is toppling bronze statutes of you, Fred.

I don't mean to barge on your convo with Dalale, I'm just making an observation. What I find darkly comic/distressing (depending on my mood) is the fact that Christians are supposed to "love thy neighbor"... In Iraq, you've got neighbors of all sorts and Assyrians don't want to love any of them...But at the end of the day, they insist on being acknowledged because they are Christian and minor. But they don't walk the walk. So please stop referring to the people that call themselves "Assyrian" as Christian. They simply are not. They've used it and abused it and left it with no meaning except to be kicked around and manipulated for gainful purpose. "Here, I'll be whatever you want me to be, do you work for Caritas?" I would look into these guys' desperate eyes, they just wanted out of there hellacious predicaments in Iraq, Syria, Jordan or Lebanon. How in the hell was I so lucky and these guys not? I'd always play that question in my head. That I actually could choose to live in Beirut and make Assyrian stop overs and they lived in ... wherever, it didn't matter... there were no options. How could I fault anyone that wanted out of that life? No education b/c you have to help feed your family, no work because well, there was no work. And if there was a job, you bet that the owner of the place would give it to his niece's husbands cousin-twice-removed. And how can I tell them, "no, don't sell your soul." They are miserable, in a perpetual limbo, and all they ever knew was limbo and it's all they can see. I see it's bad, but I can't fault them for wanting something different--anything different, that may end up better or worse, but you'll take that chance of "worse." I don't know why I wrote all this, I think it's a bout of conscience thing. You were lucky, Fred. You had a dad who laid it out for you to choose which limbo to exist within.... I don't know... This cockamamy nationalism is borne of privilege. The privilege that comes with leisure and the ideas that people come up with b/c they just have too much time on their hands.

Why would we ever want an Assyrian homeland? So that the likes of the AINA gang could show just how brutal they can actually be if they were given their moment of power? Imagine any of those guys with an automatic rifle... I can only imagine the slaughter... And the funny part is, they would deny the same rights to exist as their "Assyrian brothers and sisters" are being denied. They have nothing to feel sorry about. They left Iraq or wherever and are living more prosperous lives than they could have imagined in the ghettos from which they came and yet they whine in place of those that are so unfortunate as not to have the option to leave. What do you call these sorts of people? Is there a word for them?

Modern Assyrians have taken on that victim mentality of "why me? Is it because we are chosen people too? Are we the true Isra d'il? That must be the truth...b/c the bible, it mentions Assyrians and they never cowered and here we are Assyrians in the 21st century, I am them, they are me. That is the bloodline. I shall post it on Beth Suryoyo and AINA for all the world to know that I am Assyrian" And on and on you can go... The psychology is quite simple, the roots I find puzzling. And I'm still searching for that word.

Ok, this was way off topic, I started on topic and somehow left it... I just needed the release, I guess.



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