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..when you shine a light, cockroaches run...this is the fear these people have always had..if we throw the doors open and expand the field of discussion, their lies will become clear.

Re: Sim-El : In the name of God

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Written by Shushan on 14 Jul 2004 23:03:30:

As an answer to: Re: Sim-El : In the name of God written by Paul Younan on 14 Jul 2004 22:57:37:

Thanks Paul. I agree with all you said. I was mortified that someone put such vile intentions on my post.

...Tiglath was not slamming his father in any way..itªs you people whoªve done it and continue to to do so as you "console" him..itªs marvellous to watch you go this far in denying what you do..it must be habit by now. Tiglath wasnªt asking for your sympathy...he was willing to share something that should give us all pause as we insist there can be only ONE definition or youªre out of Assyria..or we attack your parents and children...itªs disingenuous of you to still maintain that Tiglath was evincing any dislike for his father..he was telling us what we all know..that the actions of those Assyrian men...and certainly not most of them by any means...led to tragic consequences but they WERE consequences, painful ones that Tiglathªs father had the guts to own up to

..the attack on Simele didnªt happen in a vacuum...the same Iraqis you blast took our people in, my family included, who were running for their lives..under those circumstances we were GUESTS..which drives your priests crazy because of 1300 years ago...give it up...you people lost and you lost for a good reason and every time your priests have whispered that you own the land some among you have committed horrendous blunders in trusting your fellow Christians whoªve used you time and again..and this has led to all sorts of retaliation against ALL our people...if America will not attack Saudi Arabia and get the regime and people who bred their attackers but will go killing Iraqis and Afghanis, with your blessings, then why canªt Iraqis go hunting down any Christians they can get their hands on when THEY are attacked by Christians?

Are these the dangerous truths you must not let out..are these the things you want to keep from your "enemies"? Hell, they KNOW it...like many of us do..and like Tiglathªs father knew because he was there and it troubled him, as it would any moral man. His father did nothing WRONG..placed in that situation he did what he thought was best...we are ALL being torn apart by these religions...we are open to being USED, to be whipped up into murderous frenzies and there is a PRICE to pay..and his father recognized his part in the retaliations..and he was troubled by it.

Your Christians are getting the same thing all over again and STILL you insist you have the right to aid the people who attack and kill our poeple because they are Christians and will "give you something"..when and where did you learn to accept the gifts that come from murder EXCEPT from your religion...from the heaven you can ONLY get if Christ is murdered...murder most foul willed on him by his own father..as Hebrew men used to kill their own first born sons to score points with THAT insane god.

I am here to learn about this stuff so perhaps I should listen more than talk. Thank you for understanding my post and making me feel better for I would feel horrible if I caused David any real distress.
Thank you. Shushan

...it was your intention to cause him distress...in no way did he come to ask you for sympathy..he was trying to convey the conflict his father felt over something he never discussed with his son...something Tiglath had to learn from a cousin who recently died..this is a grown man coming to grips with his fatherªs legacy, which is ours too and our history...he is not one of your idiot boys drawing flags and demanding triangles..there was much more here than what you responded to..all you are trying to do is paper over what he said..the power of his words..and Paul is running around like a dyspeptic hen clucking that he doesnªt know WHAT happened to the David he felt more comfortable with and thinks because HE is upset that means something must be wrong with Tiglath...you people are so immature it hurts...and youªre hurting our children.

>Dear Shushan,
>I personally did not take your post as anything other than consolatory and loving towards David and his feelings.

..if you canªt see something does that make it Tiglathªs problem....what were you all consoling him for? Did his father just die? Did HE express any loss of faith in his father? HE didnªt call his father a traitor..he repeated what someone ELSE said...someone who was there and went through that hell that none of us saw and had this reaction to it...you even use lies and a pretense that you CARE for Tiglathªs pain..he wasnªt feeling PAIN...his honesty pained YOU...and youªre all going through this act on cue..it"s standard procedure for you people to lie..about everything...your "sincere" feelings most of all...as you advertise how you CARE for dead Assyrians and then turn your backs on 27,000 murdered Assyrian children and ignore their familes who are REALLY in pain, made that much worse when they hear of your martyr fests and realize their darling children donªt count and are forgotten and buried all over again because you canªt use their emaciated corpses to further your fucking churchªs agenda...because you must defend your Christians at all costs even when they kill us...what kinds of Assyrians do that...never mind that you claim to be Christians as well.

If someone else thought something different, then obviously that person has a deranged and sick mind.

...fuck you too. Every bright and intelligent one of you sons of bitches make fools of yourselves when you venture out and you think weªre sick? Explain to the world how you decide which Assyrians are dear and which never happened..tell them how you decide the issue..that it isnªt enough to be a dead Assyrian...a murdered or raped or blinded Assyrian, or one tosed up in the air and caught on a PIKE...that what matters to you is WHO KILLED THE ASSYRIAN...tell someone else how sane that is.

>You were definitely not one of the people I was accusing of taking advantage of this situation.

...of course not...youªre a Jew in their hire..what do you know about Assyrians...you are consoling the people whom Tiglath upset...and condemning the person you think led him astray..again making him into a child who doesnªt know his own mind...he didnªt need consoling...not till YOU people attacked him, then brought your "consolations"...he said what he said to get us THINKING and TALKING...not wrapping yourselves in a self=righteous mantle and patting him on the head...who you foolin, fool?

>I feel that David was trying to tell us something here about what has led to his changed perspective. Regardless of whether or not we agree with his ultimate conclusions, we should not attack his person, question his motivation, place him on a Kurdish payroll or insinuate that his allegiance lies elsewhere unless we have solid proof of those types of things.

...no, but without any proof you can assume heªs being led astray...and you were told the truth when you were three by a fucking priest and never had to think again.

>Shlame Khati,

...fuck you and your khati too...her slimeball way of wheedling and insinuating herself was always a bit too heavy handed...and yes, you bitch...you can use the art..the art hasnªt changed any..or am I a "bad" and "naughty" sculptor...who EVER needs praise from or has to fear condemnation from THESE people.

>Paul Younan...howªs the pisheeta business? Smelled any good ones lately?

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