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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Saturday, July 10 2004, 23:59:09 (CEST)
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...I swear the boys are breathlessly waiting to confuse and muddy up the crystal clear points Tiglath is making with all their usual tactics...making fun of his father...making fun of his name , making fun of his popularity...telling us people don`t like him...then they flood their responses with all the irrlevancies they can hoping those who read Tiglath will get lost trying to follow what is presented as a "response" but is merely a diversion to blunt the effect of his simple queries....

As an answer to: Mirror, mirror on the wall who is the most indigenous of all? written by Tiglath on 10 Jul 2004 20:44:04:

Tiglath,

Excuse me to say that your logic is messed up, here is why:

...now...Hanna will in no way SHOW that it`s messed up..he`s just counting on his paid followers to nod their heads in assent..what follows will do nothing but try to muddy a clear point...

I am not agoing to argue about your claim that the Sumerians are indo-Europeans, because they are not.

...well that was easy enough...at least we argue with your claim that you`re Assyrians, even though you are not..difference is we can PROVE it.

However I will point out to your logic which goes like this:

You claim that:
1. Sumerians are Indo-Europeans,
2. and Kurds are Indo-Europeans,
3. Therefore Kurds are Sumerians.

...not at all...that`s part of muddying his point..it`s what you boys do best...he didn`t say they were the same at all...he`s never said that...how could they be the same when one hadn`t appeared yet silly..he merely said they shared common roots...that`s all. Americans mostly came from Europe..we all know that...are Americans THE SAME as Europeans? Of course not...he never called them the same..he said they shared a common ancestry...

Here`s your Christian Logiciqueek:

1. Assyrians were never Christians.
2. You are a Christian.
3. Therefore you are the only real Assyrian today.

Here is what your logic implies:
1. Apples are Fruits, and
2. and Oranges are Fruits,
3. Therfore Oranges are Apples.

...not at all..this is what your stupid attempt to confuse a operfectly clear issue you see looming on the horizon, in hopes that your readers are all as stupid as you are...or worse.

...all he`s saying is that both apples and oranges ARE FRUITS. Your ridiculous attempt at a syllogism would be correct if the conclusion was that both apples and oranges were fruits..not that they were each other. HONESTLY!!! Do you see how implausible all your proooves are when you have to play such obvious games to make a silly point..you do yourself far more damage by answering..but then what can you do? So long as all you have to offer the world as Assyrians are WORDS..you have to fight ours...because in this battle of words you can`t afford to keep silent, because you HAVE nothing else..so to counter the sheer amount and range and depth and effect of our words, though we do other things as well..means you have to SPEAK OUT..and when you do you show us all just what marshmallows you have in your National Head.

Hey all Europe are Indo-Europeas, how about calling the Germans, French, English, Italians, Greeks, Swedes, etc. all as Kurds!

..that`s not the way logic works..but then how would you know...you`re an illiterate villager with his own English Language dictionary written by himself to negotiate America and the world beyond the village with.

..Trees and rocks are on earth..therefore trees are rocks...you have a dic and you have a heas, therefore your dic is your head...had enough?

Further more, in Asia, the Iranians, Afghanis, Armenians, Indians etc. are Indo-Eurpeans too, why not call them Kurds too. In fact why don't you replace the term Indo-European with Kurd, because that is the context in which you are using it.

...not at all...this is your cheap way of trying to confuse the rest of your villagers...but we have news for you...your villagers are of no interest to us..as you aren`t. What matters is getting you all to step outside and expose yourselves and the more we do it, the more you`re forced to say SOMETHING....ANYTHING...so that all those who drive by on this highway can see you shitting in the woods and calling it a National Treasure.

The issue is not who the Kurds are, or where they came from, the issue is that if a person claims to belong to a certain root and culture, then the least thing he would do is to preserve that culture and protect it, and so far the Kurds have been doing a great job at destroying their so called ancient heritage (if that heritage is theirs as they claim).

...not any better than you Christians have done...we`d remind you that Christians just killed many more Christians and destroyed a lot more of the Heritage and treasures of BetNahrain than the Kurds ever did...People can definitely turn on their own...so for the Kurds to "turn" on their Assyrian ancestry is no different from you all running after a Jew.

The Kurds by claiming themselves to be a mix does not justify them to take over someone else's heartland,

..the only justification necessary in international law..which everyone but your villagers understands, is that you TAKE it and KEEP it..as the United States helped Israel TAKE a triangle in Palestine...no justification is needed beyond that..as the ancient Assyrians knew as well when they TOOK and HELD their empire...no one asked permission back then or gave anything "back" either.

because with the same token, the Americans (who are aslo a mix of many nations), can claim Iraq as part of America. This is what Kurdish logic implies.

..not at all...but they can certainly attack Betnahrain and kill ALL the people there...based on lies and a desire for free oil...in that they have been not only justified..but urged on by YOU.

...Europeans stole America from its indigenous people and transformed themselves into something entirely new...you come ask for your triangle when they give any of it back.

As to who is an invader and who is an indeginous nation, there is a very simple litmus test that would answer your question:

1. Specify a gegraphical region.

...any one you`d like...but let`s the New World

2. Specify a nation.

..How about two...North and South America made of many nations and states...

3. Track back the origin of that nation in time to its birthplace

...Europe, Turkey, Iraq, Saudi, Asia, Micronesia, The Pacific Rim and various island nations...

a- If the birthplace of that nation lies inside that geographical region, then they are indeginous to that land.

...then I think you need to get off Native American lands....and take the rest of the 200 million Uslurping scum with you back to the lands of your birth.

a- If the birthplace of that nation lies out side that geographical region, then they are invaders and occupiers of that land.

...Like I said...go back to Turkey or Syria and give your house back to the indigenous people...the only ones BORN here...

Now let's take northern Iraq, and specifically
1. The Geographical area is the Assyrian Triangle.

...Lots of other people lived there, both before and after..for you to dub the land "Assyrian" is like calling yourselves Assyrian because you say so...no one else agrees with you...it is now Iraq..it was never known as any kind of triangle..it`s just a frig newton of your fevered imagination.

2. The Kurdish nation.

..there is no Kurdish nation yet...and there never was one..they cover a wide area crossing over many modern nations that are recent inventions with shifting borders as of only the last century.

3. The Kurds claim to be Medes, if we track the roots of the Medes, we find out that their birthplace is outside the Assyrian Triangle, therefore they are invaders and occupiers of the Assyrian Triangle.

...no way. The Assyrian birthplace is one city..maybe two or three..yet we find them from the Mediteranean to the Gulf...occupying lands of others and getting away with it too. And you and every American you know are trespassing on the stolen lands of indigenoud people you have NO desire to compensate for their "loss". Shit happens..ask Aprim, he knows.

New let's repeat the same for Assyrians:
1. The Geographical area is the Assyrian Triangle.

...no it isn`t. It`s Iraq...your calling it anything makes it nothing.

2. The Assyrians nation.

..there is no Assyrian nation..and before there was one, there also wasn`t one..and after it ended, there also was no Assyrian nation..there are Assyrian people also living on stolen lands..so what?

3. Tracking the roots of the Assyrians, we find out that their birthplace is inside the Assyrian Triangle, therefore they are indeginious the Assyrian Triangle.

...that may be but it doesn`t prove you are Assyrians..and the fact that you don`t practice their religion but a Jewish one from Israel about settles your claim to being Assyrian, not to mention that fact that you keep calling down death and destruction on BetNahrain...and loving it...besides which the Assyrians weren`t mushrooms who popped out of the ground one night..they came from somewhere else as well...from Babylon most likely and the Babylonians didn`t pop up like fungi one night..they came from somewhere else as well...and as the Babylonians and Sumerians and Assyrians and Semites all came from somewhere else..then none of them are indigenous..run along.

Therefore, in North Iraq )(and specifically the Assyrian Triangle), the Assyrians are indeginous and Kurds are invaders. End of story.

...no way...the Assyrians themselves invaded plenty of places..places that are in Syria and Turkey, where you were born...yet you call yourself Assyrian. Were YOU born in the Assyrian triangle? How come you get to claim the ethnicity and name of the people you yourself say had their birth in the Assyrian triangle? Could it be that Assyrians born in their triangles MOVED west and east and north and south...so that today, thousands of years later you can STILL say you are descended from them? If you can do it...the Kurds can too...

If the Kurds are Sumerians as you claim, then they are more than welcome to move south to Basra and AL-Ahwar, and claim their ancestral homeland. Sumer is in the south not north, seems to me that their coordinates are messed up.

..people don`t follow your rules. People back then didn`t..they moved everywhere and mixed everywhere..as we do today. No one said they were the same...we say they are descended from a common Indo-European stock...which all scholaraly opinion recognizes..no one says Kurds are the same besides you..how could they be when the Sumerians came way before and were mixed with FOREIGN Semites by the time the Kurds show up?

All Tiglath says was that as people sharing a common ancestry...an Indo-European one, the Kurds and Sumerians are driectly linked through a common indigenous ancestor..and that the Assyrians, being Semites, are clearly from the desert and moved into Sumer...and are therefore not as indigenous as anyone who LATER draws his descent from the original Indo-Europeans..that was the simple point and all this fuss and blowing of smoke and hot air didn`t change a thing.

Your answer?

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