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>ok, Fred, here you do sound like a ba'3thi ba'3thist... because that's what the lot of the early ba3theeyeen argued

...so what`s wrong with sounding like a Republican? If you would smear me by saying I sound like a need a baathey..then say I am sounding like a Christian..as many of their thinkers were Christians. What`s wrong with a Baathey when you`re soaked in Christian slime?


... That it was all about the evolution of the same people and Christian-ness is one dot on the timeline and Islamicness is another as were the Abbasids and the entirety of pre-judeochristian Mesopotamian history. You diverge in calling them Muslim Assyrians, whereas the Ba3'theeyoon said they had all converged on a new Arabness, but that's because they wanted to bring in the bedouin arabs that flanked the civilized parts.

...no it`s not. Lawrence learned just how difficult it was to have any sort of pan-Arabism in ONE country that lasted beyond a season of raids. No one is LESS inclined to rallying behind an Arab isdentity than Arabs...if you asked them what that was before the Brits came they would not have understood Arab Nationalism...but they learned soon enough. As the ENGLISH speaking CHRISTIAN World descended on their heads, wives, children and oil...they formed, or tried to an ARABIC SPEAKING MUSLIM WORLD VIEW..and as Americans aren`t Londoners because they speak English..Iraqis aren`t Arabs because they speak the dominant language in THEIR world.

..Pan Arabism was Nasser`s attempt to forge a united front to face Christian aggression...such as bombing civillians in Port Said because the Egyptians DARED decide how they would use the Suez. There is nothing wrong with trying to pull the disparate parts of a common language and religious group into one UNITED Front, like the boys keep crying for, when that group is under attack by a HUGE group...nothing at all..and that`s why Christians aren`t trusted..not becaue Muslims or Baathists HATE Cristians..but because the Christians living among them LOVE other Christians and seem not to care how many times they get betrayed and trashed by those Christians...while magnifying every attack by Muslims who don`t trust this love...for instance, weeping and wailing over two children because Muslims killed them..while refusing to mention 27,000 because Christians killed those..you can forgive any Muslims for doubting you LOVE ALL your people...never mind our Muslim BAATHIST Assyrians...you can`t even work up a tear for Christian children..if they got murdered by the wrong people..that`s putting too fine an edge on nationalism...that`s tribalism gone nuts.


That little detail also gave them impetus for revolution that having gone in the direction of "we are all Assyrian" could not. I guess that's why no one is toppling bronze statutes of you, Fred.

...neither is any Arab anywhere stopping the Shumirum..it is these boys with their Christian loathing of Pagan Assyrians and Muslim Assyrians who stopped it. We HAVE no enemies..never have had any..no Muslim hated us for being Christian OR Assyrian...they hate us for US..the rotten people we`ve become under this Jewish religion....WE hate Assyrians.
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>I don't mean to barge on your convo with Dalale, I'm just making an observation. What I find darkly comic/distressing (depending on my mood) is the fact that Christians are supposed to "love thy neighbor"... In Iraq, you've got neighbors of all sorts and Assyrians don't want to love any of them...But at the end of the day, they insist on being acknowledged because they are Christian and minor. But they don't walk the walk. So please stop referring to the people that call themselves "Assyrian" as Christian. They simply are not. They've used it and abused it and left it with no meaning except to be kicked around and manipulated for gainful purpose.


..here we go again...to be Christian IS to be loathesome..I don`t mean to be kind and decent...Hottentots are that as well..I mean this business of being taught early in life that it`s okay to benefit from murder...from the murder of Jesus for starters...and to seal your infamy you have to eat and drink the poor bastard...be you as kind and as wonderful a pagan or Christian even..if you refuse to participate in this symbollic gore,....no benefits for you. It doesn`t take much more than a little push to get you looking around the world to see what else you might benefit from if you kill other innocent people..and since none of them are gods and the son of a god..and since they aren`t Christian or the RIGHT kind of Christians..and since you started out by killing the BEST Christian of them all...why should you stop at benefitting from people not all that worthy to begin with? And when have they? You merely take the "best" examples you can think of, who ALL, without a single exception, would have been the decent people they are if they`d never heard of Jesus...who are decent INSPITE of Christianity and not because of it..and be they one or three in a crowd of ten thousand, point to them as REAL Christians..they are not. If the majority "get it wrong"...then it IS wrong. The Church has had 2000 years to "get it right" and for 1000 of those they did it by killing innocent people...if this is such a heavenly religion it wouldn`t take that long..especially considering that in that bloody 2000 year history they JUST barely got finished killing six million Jews for "killing" Jesus...2000 YEARS AGO! This is not a right religion..it is sick beyond words...

"Here, I'll be whatever you want me to be, do you work for Caritas?" I would look into these guys' desperate eyes, they just wanted out of there hellacious predicaments in Iraq, Syria, Jordan or Lebanon. How in the hell was I so lucky and these guys not? I'd always play that question in my head. That I actually could choose to live in Beirut and make Assyrian stop overs and they lived in ... wherever, it didn't matter... there were no options. How could I fault anyone that wanted out of that life? No education b/c you have to help feed your family, no work because well, there was no work. And if there was a job, you bet that the owner of the place would give it to his niece's husbands cousin-twice-removed. And how can I tell them, "no, don't sell your soul." They are miserable, in a perpetual limbo, and all they ever knew was limbo and it's all they can see. I see it's bad, but I can't fault them for wanting something different--anything different, that may end up better or worse, but you'll take that chance of "worse."


...Afro-Americans didn`t have it so good either...you can NEVER use your poor staus as an excuse to call outsiders to attack your country...NEVER. Imagine Africans going to Africa and DEMANDSING their tribal lands back. Hell, they can`t even get 40 acres and a mule from the same government that promised to give it them...and broke so many promises to the Natives. What are you people talking about? When conditions for you or in your country are bad you either work to fix them..or you leave and try somewhere else...but you can`t in all seriousness ask for a war against your country to "improve" it.

...I sympathize with them as well...the bastards in this piece are the ones who ran out to save themselves, turned around and said they were CHASED out by crooool Muslims intent on killing them for demanding their country back..and then write articles and letters DEMANDING those lands be given to the ones left behind!!! This is a recipe for disaster and it is their INTENTION..they ran out because an Assyria wasn`t in the cards...and in their own "strategy" plan now to ruin it for everyone else...as they`ve said themselves a thousand times..and they disguise all this dastardly behavior and betrayal of their own people under the name of ASSYRIA..and they are NOT Assyrians.

I don't know why I wrote all this, I think it's a bout of conscience thing. You were lucky, Fred. You had a dad who laid it out for you to choose which limbo to exist within.... I don't know... This cockamamy nationalism is borne of privilege. The privilege that comes with leisure and the ideas that people come up with b/c they just have too much time on their hands.

...I have no sense of nationalism at all...I think it`s a crock. And because I`m privileged to leave a sinking ship or a burning building...doesn`t mean I have to walk away and let the rest of the people drown or burn..it also doesn`t mean I should throw gasoline on the flames or blow another hole in the ship and call that "saving" them...it is a privilege to tell the truth as well.
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>Why would we ever want an Assyrian homeland? So that the likes of the AINA gang could show just how brutal they can actually be if they were given their moment of power? Imagine any of those guys with an automatic rifle... I can only imagine the slaughter... And the funny part is, they would deny the same rights to exist as their "Assyrian brothers and sisters" are being denied. They have nothing to feel sorry about. They left Iraq or wherever and are living more prosperous lives than they could have imagined in the ghettos from which they came and yet they whine in place of those that are so unfortunate as not to have the option to leave. What do you call these sorts of people? Is there a word for them?

...yes, Christians...it`s what they DO the most of themselves..and they`ll tell you they are REAL and I believe them.
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>Modern Assyrians have taken on that victim mentality of "why me? Is it because we are chosen people too? Are we the true Isra d'il? That must be the truth...b/c the bible, it mentions Assyrians and they never cowered and here we are Assyrians in the 21st century, I am them, they are me. That is the bloodline.


...the single strongest characteristic in modern Assyrians is self-loathing. I`ve spent 25 years in the bowels of Assyria...in all sorts of ways,...and the conclusion is inescapable..and we have every reason to hate ourselves..we make an awful showing in the world and blame everyone else...to be Christian and insist that it`s FAR better than what Ashur did for us..to say we gave it up for a barefoot Jew, even if it WAS by choice...would make any Assyrian loathesome to him or herself..and that we paper over it with LOUD proclamations and tons of talk is merely compensation and a LOT of false pride...which is all we really have. I don`t hate myself for being Assyrian..I`d hate myself for turning my back on Ashur..for anyone.

I shall post it on Beth Suryoyo and AINA for all the world to know that I am Assyrian" And on and on you can go... The psychology is quite simple, the roots I find puzzling. And I'm still searching for that word.

...self-loathing.
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>Ok, this was way off topic, I started on topic and somehow left it... I just needed the release, I guess.

...since when is thinking or talking a "release"? It isn`t a toilet function, it`s what makes us Human in the best sense...don`t forget to wipe.



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