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Written by Ben on 02 Aug 2005 19:41:06:

As an answer to: Re: Interesting comment on news this morning -Michael written by Michael Shlemun on 02 Aug 2005 17:56:22:

Michael:

Either truth matters or it does not.

...how would you know?

If truth does not matter than nothing else does. Today’s Chldeans have no relation to the ancient Chaldeans.

...today's Assyrians have no relation to the ancient Assyrians....see how easy it is?

Chaldean church leaders and followers are inventing lies to justify their Chaldean ancestry and expect others to agree with them.

...Assyrian church leaders and followers are inventing lies of their own to justify their "Assyrian" ancestry and expect others to agree with them.

History can not be Changed and here is the truth.

...of course it can't...not even Saddam could change it...you certainly can't.

Chaldeans of today are members of a church established in 1553 which was given the name chaldean by pope Julius III.

..Assyrians of today are members of several sects established who knows when, but well after they lost faith in their original and true god...Ashur. Some Mar or other gave you your name...where do you come off stealing the Assyrian Heritage, tacking it onto your Judo-Christian faith and making fun of anyone else?

I suppose if he had called it Martian you would have been claiming to be from Mars.

...I know if Jesus spoke Chinese you'd all be calling THAT "your" language.

The person who established it was John Sulaga who was the abbot of the Dair Hormizd monastery 30 miles north of Mosul.

...the person you say made Christians of you all was a "king" who got venereal disease and switched to the first medicine man to cure him of it...the rest of you followed his lead and you've been suffering the effects of dementia ever since.

A name given to a church does not change the nationality of those who attend it.

...a name given to Assyrians...whether Christian or Muslim does not change the nationality of those who attend a church or mosque.

Even the Roman Catholic Church does not claim those who belong to it are Romans.

...Even the Nestorian Church does not claim Ashubanipal was Nestorian.

There is no indication that the Ancient Chaldeans survived into Christianity if they did they probably were not Christians and converted to Islam.

...there is less proof that the ancient Assyrians morphed into Jews....which is what you converted to...a sect of Judaism...but Hebrew all the same.

There was no Christian community known as Chaldeans in Mesopotamia before 1553. I challenge you to show me where it was.

...there were no Christians when the Assyrians ruled Mesopotamia...I challenge you to show me any.

As for you calling Assyrians "a cult and a fascist organization that is very intolerant toward other ideas for our people." it shows your ignorance of the subject.

...As for you calling Muslims a violent people and evil is very intolerant of you, especially as NO one in history has killed more people, including other Christians, than you have.

Here is what an 19th century American writer had to say about how those who joined the Catholic Church who were called Chaldeans for that reason treated their brethren who refused to do so. while your statement is just an ignorant opinion this is a fact.

...19th century Americans don't tell the followers of Ashur what to do...since you have found all sorts of Syriac manuscripts, dating much further back than the 15th Century, that stroke YOUR testicles...while there is NO proof that you have any balls at all....Chaldeans can be excused from buying your book as well.

...see how easy it is?

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