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Kris...You don't know
Posted by St. Me (Guest) - Thursday, October 21 2004, 5:33:54 (CEST)
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Kris wrote:

”Christ COULD NOT have sacrificed himself since he was considered a criminal in the eyes of Rome, resulting in his crucifixion.”

Kris here is where your ignorance precedes you. I will demonstrate that what you are saying is incorrect.

Matt 26:59-66

59 Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain false testimony against Jesus, in order that they might put Him to death;
60 and they did not find {any,} even though many false witnesses came forward. But later on two came forward,
61 and said, "This man stated, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and to rebuild it in three days.'"
62 And the high priest stood up and said to Him, "Do You make no answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?"
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."
64 Jesus said to him, "You have said it {yourself} nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."
65 Then the high priest tore his robes, saying, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;
66 what do you think? "They answered and said," He is deserving of death! "

***Kris here is one time out of several that Jesus could have denounced himself and set free. This goes to show you he is in control and this is his destiny to sacrifice himself.

John 19:1-16
1 Pilate then took Jesus and scourged Him.
2 And the soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on His head, and put a purple robe on Him;
3 and they {began} to come up to Him and say, "Hail, King of the Jews!" and to give Him slaps {in the face.}
4 Pilate came out again and said to them, "Behold, I am bringing Him out to you so that you may know that I findNO GUILT IN HIM (JESUS)."
5 Jesus then came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. {Pilate} said to them, "Behold, the Man!"
6 So when the chief priests and the officers saw Him, they cried out saying, "Crucify, crucify!" Pilate said to them, "Take Him yourselves and crucify Him, for I find no guilt in Him (JESUS)."
7 The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out {to} {be} the Son of God."
8 Therefore when Pilate heard this statement, he was {even} more afraid;
9 and he entered into the Praetorium again and said to Jesus, "Where are You from?" But Jesus gave him no answer.
10 So Pilate said to Him, "You do not speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You, and I have authority to crucify You?"
11 Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has {the} greater sin."
12 As a result of this Pilate made efforts to release Him, but the Jews cried out saying, "If you release this Man, you are no friend of Caesar; everyone who makes himself out {to be} a king opposes Caesar."
13 Therefore when Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out, and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called The Pavement, but in ARAMIAC, Gabbatha.
14 Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, "Behold, your King!"
15 So they cried out, "Away with {Him} away with {Him} crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar."
16 So he then handed Him over to them to be crucified.

Kris wrote:

”The difference between your arguments and mine is that you would like to use the bible as hard-core, factual evidence and I am saying that it is not”

The problem with your argument is that it’s full of holes. But I wouldn’t call it Holy (pun intended)

The bible is considered a factual historical book. As a matter of fact it has more credibility than Plato’s and Socrates combined by a hundred folds. If you like we can also use the historians Josephus and Tacitus as a reference just to name a few.


Let’s take it one more step further. How about witness accounts or forensic science with respect to manuscript evidence, archeology evidence and statistical probability. You would have to come to the conclusion that the Bible can and well hold up as scientific evidence. Your argument is not valid in this case. You did or could not bring out the evidence to show otherwise. As a matter of fact they have been trying to discredit the bible for thousands of years. Some become converts as they go a long and others die rejecting the loving knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Kris wrote:

“Therefore, quoting John and/or Cotinthians does little to investigate this argument when we are discussing logic. As I said before, the content within the bible is based on faith not fact.”

I beg to differ…a text without a context is a pretext. In your case you are taking a verse out of context and trying to form a logical argument out of it. It will not hold. In a court of arbitration, you would lose.

You said “the content within the bible is based on faith not fact.” Instead it should read like this “The bible is faith based on facts”



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