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Re: A proposal for all...+ more facts.
Posted by ST. ME (Guest) - Saturday, November 13 2004, 19:40:30 (CET)
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Jeff, can you really be serious and truthful to "yourself". Facts coming from you guys and I'm sorry to say are not facts.

Facts - In reality or in truth; actually.

Jeff you are correct that the sanctions that were imposed bay the "U.N." in 1993 hurt and killed scores of Iraqi's. This is fact. The plan was designed to get the Iraqi people to up rise and over throw Saddam by coup de ta or an assassination or even a civil war just like how The Shaw of Iran was over thrown in 1979.

Two thirds of the population of Iraq is Shiite. Neighboring Iran is ninety nine percent Shiite. They hate Saddam and the Sunni Baath party. Why wouldn't have they over thrown Saddam's regime? Because they couldn't. He was a brutal man who had no conscience what so ever be over thrown. The muhkabarat (spy's) that were with Saddam were your neighbor for life, a family member or just a person walking down the street or sitting in the coffee shop.

In 1996 the U.S. proposed the Food for Oil into the U.N. overseen by the U.N. to help the Iraqi at least with medicine and food. The sanctions were listed with respect to the two I mentioned. Well we all know where that money was going and that's a FACT.

If you want to make this idea a legit idea and not one sided. There are two things you must do.

1) You must not entice propaganda or your fact page is void. Unless all the rest of the people... yes all five of them in this forum subscribe to the propaganda as such. Definition of propaganda.

Propaganda- Ideas, facts or allegations spread deliberately to further ones cause or to damage an opposing cause.

Case in point: Tiglath posted a report citing The Free Arab Voice. On Nov 11.
That had to be the most bias posting yet.


It reminded me of Saddam’s Minister of Information the guy dubbed "Baghdad Bob", going on television all around the world proclaiming that we the U.S. never took over Baghdad airport...as a matter of "fact" we the U.S. were the ones who were being surrounded by Saddam's forces. Bob went on to say that all the bombing you see on T.V. is all made up in Hollywood. This guy was so funny that even Bush said he used to get a kick out of him when Bush was being interviewed and asked about the deck of cards most wanted. By the way Baghdad Bob never made the list of Saddam's most wanted. He was captured in Iraq by the U.S., they let him go. He works for an Arab channel as a corresponded. My point is that he didn't sound credible so he was ignored.

If you want to make this fact sheet credible...you better be fair or you and this site would be guilty of being a bunch of Propagandist such as the likes of Michael Moore. I know to you this is an honor.

2) You have to be opened minded to that facts that are presented to you. Popular opinion does not count.




Jeff wrote:
>While we are on the subject of FACTS, I'd like to add a few and maybe in the future we can make a FACT page on insideassyria.com, if the webmaster/beastmaster allows it.
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>FACT: The Economic sanctions on Iraq killed tens-of-thousands of CHRISTIAN-Iraqis, and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (if not millions) of Muslim-Iraqis.
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>FACT: The Economic sanctions on Iraq were a war crime as much as gassing Jews was.
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>FACT: The history of "our people" is a complicated, not a cut-and-dry (nor simple) subject matter. Anyone claiming to know the definitive answer with some poorly cited secondary or tertiary reference sources taken out of context should be immediately ignored. Guide : Ignore F. Aprim, the madman/hysterian. / Pay attention to Dr. John Joseph, the historian.
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>Tiglath, what do you think of this idea? We could collaborate (that is, anyone on this forum who would like to participate) and share our world view with the world via a web page that states some of the basic views that we hold, with concise explanations and (Gasp!) cited sources!
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>.....................................
>Tiglath wrote:
>>He can't answer it Stella.
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>>I mean what's he supposed to say?
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>>He can't very well state the obvious FACT that the abortion issue is really a ruse used to control women and to claw back all the rights gained over the past 4 decades.
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>>Just like Keith can't respond to the FACT that Christianity is a cheap imitation of our ancient Ishtar and Tammuz myth.
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>>As Dean can't say a word to the FACT that our so-called peaceful Church of the East disrupted peace in the tolerant Persian Empire by burning down a Zoroastrian fire temple in their attempts to force the Zoroastrians into Christianity...just like the Romans.
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>>As Paul himself can't deny the FACT that our Church of the East was actively courting the Mongolian Empire in an attempt to establish itself as the state religion of the Pax-Mongolica.
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>>Watch him "skillfully" dodge this post.
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>>:-)



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