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Re: A proposal for all...+ more facts.
Posted by Jesus on Dope (Guest) - Saturday, November 13 2004, 23:35:34 (CET)
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St Me wrote: Jeff, can you really be serious and truthful to "yourself". Facts coming from you guys and I'm sorry to say are not facts.

Jesus on Dope respond: Why are you denying the information/facts that aren’t coming from the U.S. major media networks that are owned by arms industries and oil industries that are controlling the U.S. foreign policies? Why are denying these facts? Are you in any shape have something to do with them?

St. Me wrote: Jeff you are correct that the sanctions that were imposed bay the "U.N." in 1993 hurt and killed scores of Iraqi's. This is fact. The plan was designed to get the Iraqi people to up rise and over throw Saddam by coup de ta or an assassination or even a civil war just like how The Shaw of Iran was over thrown in 1979.

Jesus on Dope respond: First, the sanction and No Fly Zones issues were all brought to the table by the U.S. and U.K. members of the security Council. Second, according to UNISCO an organization within the U.N. more than 500,000 Iraqi children and 3 millions people perished by the U.S. and U.K. sanctions. Third, if the plan was designed to get the Iraqi people to up rise and over throw Saddam’s regime, why the U.S. and U.K. stopped supporting the Kurds and Shiite uprising? Fourth, 1979 Iranian revolution wasn’t CIA design. Fifth, if the U.S. was in support democratic government why the CIA with the help of monarchist over threw democratically elected government of Mohamed Mosadegh in 1953?

Two thirds of the population of Iraq is Shiite. Neighboring Iran is ninety nine percent Shiite. They hate Saddam and the Sunni Baath party. Why wouldn't have they over thrown Saddam's regime? Because they couldn't. He was a brutal man who had no conscience what so ever be over thrown. The muhkabarat (spy's) that were with Saddam were your neighbor for life, a family member or just a person walking down the street or sitting in the coffee shop.

Jesus on Dope respond: Wrong again, the U.S. and U.K. perpetrated Iran/Iraq war and for more reading I suggest Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kessinger books. The U.S. and U.K. and the rest of the western nations and China armed both sides with weaponry and logistics to kill each other and at the end both parties went back to their pre-war borders.

And on the issue of Mukhabarat, why is it spy agencies are good for western nations but NOT for others? Do you see how ridiculous your logic is? U.S. has multiple spy agencies with a unlimited budget, how is that different than Saddam’s spy agency-Mukhabarat?

In 1996 the U.S. proposed the Food for Oil into the U.N. overseen by the U.N. to help the Iraqi at least with medicine and food. The sanctions were listed with respect to the two I mentioned. Well we all know where that money was going and that's a FACT.

Jesus on Dope response: Bull Shit. The U.S. and U.K. Food for Oil didn’t allow Iraq/Saddam to purchase medicine as they pleased. Only certain basic medicines and equipments were allowed and any multi-use medicines and equipments were not allowed. Check your facts.

If you want to make this idea a legit idea and not one sided. There are two things you must do.

1) You must not entice propaganda or your fact page is void. Unless all the rest of the people... yes all five of them in this forum subscribe to the propaganda as such. Definition of propaganda.

Propaganda- Ideas, facts or allegations spread deliberately to further ones cause or to damage an opposing cause.

Jesus on Dope: And what we read on U.S. controlled media networks owned by arm industry and oil industry is facts? Wake up and wash your face.

Case in point: Tiglath posted a report citing The Free Arab Voice. On Nov 11.
That had to be the most bias posting yet.

Jesus on Dope: And what we read on U.S. controlled media networks owned by arm industry and oil industry is facts? Wake up and wash your face.

It reminded me of Saddam’s Minister of Information the guy dubbed "Baghdad Bob", going on television all around the world proclaiming that we the U.S. never took over Baghdad airport...as a matter of "fact" we the U.S. were the ones who were being surrounded by Saddam's forces. Bob went on to say that all the bombing you see on T.V. is all made up in Hollywood. This guy was so funny that even Bush said he used to get a kick out of him when Bush was being interviewed and asked about the deck of cards most wanted. By the way Baghdad Bob never made the list of Saddam's most wanted. He was captured in Iraq by the U.S., they let him go. He works for an Arab channel as a corresponded. My point is that he didn't sound credible so he was ignored.

Jesus on Dope response: How about U.S. bombing China (1945-1946, 1950-1953) is that credible? How about Korea bombing (1950-1953)? Or how about Guatemala (1954,1967-1969)? What about Indonesia (1958)? How about Cuba (1959-1960) is that credible? How about the Belgian Congo (1964)? Or Peru (1965) or Laos (1964-1973), or Vietnam (1961-1973), Cambodia, Grenada, Libya, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Lebanon, Panama, Bosnia, Suda, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and… are these credible?


If you want to make this fact sheet credible...you better be fair or you and this site would be guilty of being a bunch of Propagandist such as the likes of Michael Moore. I know to you this is an honor.

Jesus on Dope response: And you are NOT a propagandist

2) You have to be opened minded to that facts that are presented to you. Popular opinion does not count.



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