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Re: Brain Spew
Posted by St. Me (Guest) - Tuesday, October 19 2004, 2:37:33 (CEST)
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Kris wrote:

“Now somewhere on the road of mans evolution came order and civilization. Order begot law. Law begot moral. Moral begot religion. Religion begot government (or vis versa). “

Chaos and Order are two separate ideas. After mankind part took in
ideology (the study of ideas/notions), then a distinction emerged
between chaos and order. One can argue that social/civil order is or
isn't the same as natural order. It all depends on the ideology being
expressed. Such an ideology which addresses issues like order and
chaos, must then hold an understanding of morality.

As such, a desire for order is what produces law. After law is
implimented, then comes order. Therefore, law begets order, not the other
way around. Likewise, law does not beget morality. Morality exists
irrespective of law. This all goes back to the fundamental ideology
developed in the beginning.

Further, morality does not begat religion. Religion, while typically
tied to morality, can exist with or without morals. Religion is
simply an ideology that involves worship of deity. More often than
not, morals exist within the context of religion--morals themselves
however do not begat religion.

Religion does not beget government. Religion has begotten certain
types of government: those are called theocracies. Government is
begotten by those who write and enforce law. Therefore, government
begets law.

Here is what your process should look like:
Ideology begets notions of things (order, morality, government, etc.)
To create order, one establishes government. Therefore, the desire
for order begets government. Government writes and enforces law, that
maintains and discerns the ideology of the governors.

You wrote:

What came first the chicken or the egg?

Moot,. hypothetical arguement

You wrote:

“Government found a vested interest in religion because it opiates man (Marx). When man is opiated, civilization grows and those in power gain more power. Life for the general populace then becomes this "rat in a maze" reality.”

This depends on the religion and the government and is by no means
applicable to all.

Example:
Buddhism is an ideology (Eastern Philosophy) that is not religious
which opiates people.

I would also take issue with your thesis that "civilization grows."
The USA was founded by individuals who were not pacified. As such,
they grew based on their desire to grow.


You wrote:

”------thought switch------

There is a voice in the back of mind (some may say it is the first sign of Bipolar, but I doubt it.) that communicates to me in time of decision. Every human is pre-wired for this, it is almost like the paperclip in Microsoft Word. You have the option of using it, but most people just choose to "Hide" it. This voice is known as my "conscience". Through the wonders of life, the "conscience" has an understanding of right and wrong. Since we are pre-wired with this feature, why do we need an agent or middleman for our own God whatever his or her name is?”

You don't need an agent or middle man. Aside from necessary organs,
you need nothing. Yet even if all things outside our consciousness
are figments of our consciousness, we obviously need them or else we
would not recognize the existence of this world.


You Wrote:

"Religion" in general has a suppressing and fearful reality to it. No matter what religious organization we are talking about. This keeps people doubtful of their own reality and their own conscience. Resulting in people's obsession with an organized/man-made religion. “

This could be a thesis, it needs support

You wrote:

“Like all things, religion is outdated and an endangered practice considering mans understanding (for you Assyrians, Parmetah) and reality. We are now more equipped with information on life and mans evolution. Although, some are more equipped than others. “


If all things are outdated, that includes your thesis here.

I believe you are trying to articulate that religion itself is
outdated; yet this needs an "according to what" statement. The
information on life and the evolution of mankind only further serves
to prove the accuracy and necessesity of a certain world religion.

You wrote:

As I am a demon or doomed for hell because I choose not to kiss the ring of ANY religion, those who bow to any religion is a "rat trapped in a maze", no matter what your forefathers believed.

I cannot conclude that you are or are not unless you are the Aunty Christ:)







Kris K. wrote:
>Now somewhere on the road of mans evolution came order and civilization. Order begot law. Law begot moral. Moral begot religion. Religion begot government (or vis versa). What came first the chicken or the egg? Government found a vested interest in religion because it opiates man (Marx). When man is opiated, civilization grows and those in power gain more power. Life for the general populace then becomes this "rat in a maze" reality.
>
>------thought switch------
>
>There is a voice in the back of mind (some may say it is the first sign of Bipolar, but I doubt it.) that communicates to me in time of decision. Every human is pre-wired for this, it is almost like the paperclip in Microsoft Word. You have the option of using it, but most people just choose to "Hide" it. This voice is known as my "conscience". Through the wonders of life, the "conscience" has an understanding of right and wrong. Since we are pre-wired with this feature, why do we need an agent or middleman for our own God whatever his or her name is? "Religion" in general has a suppressing and fearful reality to it. No matter what religious organization we are talking about. This keeps people doubtful of their own reality and their own conscience. Resulting in people's obsession with an organized/man-made religion.
>
>Like all things, religion is outdated and an endangered practice considering mans understanding (for you Assyrians, Parmetah) and reality. We are now more equipped with information on life and mans evolution. Although, some are more equipped than others.
>
>As I am a demon or doomed for hell because I choose not to kiss the ring of ANY religion, those who bow to any religion is a "rat trapped in a maze", no matter what your forefathers believed.
>
>Kris



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